[theme-reviewers] Question about ob_start and ob_get_clean (Vicky Arulsingam)

Gmail darrenslatten at gmail.com
Thu Jun 30 05:58:36 UTC 2011

The illogical responses from you and Chip lead me to believe that I must not be explaining this adequately. I will return to this topic in a few days, when I have my computer up and running again, and I can insert code examples for clarity. Currently, I'm trying to respond via iPhone, and it's not doing this issue any justice. I'll be back.

-Darren Slatten

On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Gmail <darrenslatten at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Adding output buffering and a custom filter to wp_head and wp_footer requires...what, 4 extra lines of code? I'm having a very difficult time understanding why "contact the plugin author and ask them to change their code" would be the best approach.
> Two reasons:
> 1. Fixing a plugin directly gets the fix to everybody that uses the
> plugin. It promotes collaboration. You can help out other people, even
> people who may not use your theme.
> 2. Fixing problems in unrelated code is out of scope for a theme to do
> in the first place. Themes control how the site looks, not what's on
> the site or how plugins work. Your hacky workarounds to perceived
> problems may end up causing other people problems in other ways. What
> happens when I'm using Contact Form 7 and I try to put a contact form
> somewhere else on the site?
>> Also, I'm not suggesting a hard-coded fix for specific plugins--I'm only suggesting that a theme provides that basic functionality for advanced users to take advantage of. This would require adding custom code to functions.php.
> Wouldn't it be better to simply fix the plugin to not have the problem
> in the first place? To make the plugin smarter and able to do what
> you're suggesting in a better way?
> To put this into perspective, if I found a theme intentionally messing
> with the output of one of my plugins, then both the theme and the them
> author would enter my permanent blacklist. I'd probably consider
> adding code to my plugin to disable your code that breaks it, and then
> add comments that display to the user saying something about what a
> jerk you are.
> Seriously, why pick a fight?
>> So...4 lines of code to give advanced users control of plugin output...or contact every plugin author and ask them to update their code?
> Contact every plugin author and provide them suggestions as to how to
> correct their code. It is the preferable solution. It is not your
> place to attempt to fix all the code in the world by putting
> half-baked hacks into your theme.
> Most plugin authors I know love to receive patches for their code.
> Collaboration. Try it sometime.
> -Otto
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