[theme-reviewers] Second Opinion

Edward Caissie edward.caissie at gmail.com
Sat Jan 22 16:18:07 UTC 2011 

Hmm ...

If a WPTRT member is recommending a Theme be suspended they should also be
drafting the message to the author with their reasons why. If they are
unable to find an appropriate contact point then obviously punt it over to
Pross or myself as we can easily get the author's email from Extend to
forward the "draft" to the author.


Cais.

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:46 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <philip at frumph.net
> wrote:

>  This email was never sent out =(
>
> Discussed the situation with Payday Designs author on the
> make.wordpress.org/themes post and apologized profusely for the error and
> explained the reasoning.
>
> - Phil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Edward Caissie <edward.caissie at gmail.com>
> *To:* theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>
> Theme has been suspended ... the author should be advised as noted
> throughout this thread.
>
> Author email: paydaydesigns [at] gmail ...
>
> I can do it, unless someone else wants to write something specific.
>
>
> Cais.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <
> philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>
>>  hey, me neither - read my first 100 heh..
>>
>> but yeah this should be suspended
>>
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>> *To:* theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>   *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:29 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>
>> No worries. I'm not immune to faulty reviews (eh, Phil? ;) ). This one
>> probably makes a good case study for handling of derivative Themes.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wasn't aware that it was you :(
>>> Yeah, there's no difference in line code at all. This is indeed
>>> TwentyTen.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Emil Uzelac* | ThemeID | T: 224-444-0006 | Twitter: @EmilUzelac<http://twitter.com/emiluzelac>| E:
>>> emil at themeid.com | http://themeid.com
>>> *Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.* - Albert
>>> Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> That one was one I reviewed/approved; *mea culpa*.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like I didn't do a full review on that one. (Looks like it was
>>>> from about two months ago. Since then, I've started looking more carefully
>>>> at textdomain, and substantial differences for TwentyTen-derived Themes.)
>>>>
>>>> Chalk it up to a bad review: Bad Chip! :)
>>>>
>>>> I'd be fine with suspending, and asking for a revision, to address
>>>> deficiencies.
>>>>
>>>> Chip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let's drop the link building for a moment and look into the same author
>>>>> shall we?
>>>>> All right this http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/all-green is
>>>>> approved and the entire code is from TwentyTen, every single like, it even
>>>>> says TwentyTen directly in files. How can that be?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Emil Uzelac* | ThemeID | T: 224-444-0006 | Twitter: @EmilUzelac<http://twitter.com/emiluzelac>| E:
>>>>> emil at themeid.com | http://themeid.com
>>>>> *Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.* - Albert
>>>>> Einstein
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The standard is "*significantly different design and/or functionality
>>>>>> *". Granted, it's entirely subjective, but we *are* taking into
>>>>>> consideration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how to draw the line any more clearly than that, when the
>>>>>> reality is that a non-trivial number of submitted Themes will *always* be
>>>>>> derived from the WordPress default Theme - which right now is TwentyTen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus, it is rather infeasible to disallow *any* TwentyTen-derived
>>>>>> Themes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are we actually allowing basic modifications to the twentyten theme
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> go into the directory?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't we say that themes must be at least somewhat *original*? Simply
>>>>>>> replacing the
>>>>>>> artwork and screwing around with the CSS of an existing theme does
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> a new theme create.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Otto
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Daniel Tara <contact at onedesigns.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Twenty Ten has that hook and that theme copies plenty of code from
>>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>>> > think it’s residual waste from wannabe coders that don’t actually
>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>> > what they’re doing.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Daniel
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> > [mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Philip M.
>>>>>>> > Hofer (Frumph)
>>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:43 PM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I'm thinking there's some plugin out there that's doing it, since
>>>>>>> plugin's
>>>>>>> > are not .. moderated, they can do anything of the like.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: Chip Bennett
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:39 AM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I've seen quite a few Themes that have such a "do_action(
>>>>>>> 'my_theme_credits'
>>>>>>> > )" in footer.php, but without a corresponding add_action() hook in
>>>>>>> > functions.php.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I've always taken it to be sloppiness in copying from another
>>>>>>> Theme, adding
>>>>>>> > in a hook but not knowing to define it. Is it something else?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chip
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
>>>>>>> > <philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > .. is there an action that hooks into it in the theme or is he
>>>>>>> hooking in
>>>>>>> > someplace else like a plugin?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > <?php do_action( 'all_green_credits' ); ?>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: Daniel Tara
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:55 AM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > If you don’t mean that he is building links via the
>>>>>>> 'all_green_credits'
>>>>>>> > hook, then I don’t get it either.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Anyway, there’s no function hooked to that action in any theme
>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Daniel
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> > [mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Chip
>>>>>>> > Bennett
>>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:40 PM
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > So for the not-enough-sleep-and-no-coffee-yet version: what am I
>>>>>>> looking at,
>>>>>>> > in the footer.php that you linked? :)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chip
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > This would be no go, the guy is building links via theme and that's
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> > cool. Please see Google cache on this http://is.gd/TSWfvV
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Emil Uzelac | ThemeID | T: 224-444-0006 | Twitter: @EmilUzelac | E:
>>>>>>> > emil at themeid.com | http://themeid.com
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler. - Albert
>>>>>>> Einstein
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
>>>>>>> > <philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > heh well thats not far from what it looks like in firefox too, that
>>>>>>> text on
>>>>>>> > the image looks horrible
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: Chip Bennett
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:55 AM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Follow up:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Firefox: renders fine
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chrome: does not render properly
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > IE8: does not render properly
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > By "does not render properly", here's what I'm seeing.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chip
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
>>>>>>> > <philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > i'm sorry, i'm confused as to why it's not rendering to you?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > think its a browser issue or connection to the site?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: Chip Bennett
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:05 AM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Can you and Phil post screencaps on the ticket? I'll reinstall the
>>>>>>> Theme and
>>>>>>> > do the same.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > (Or, if it's not the author's original work, maybe we just deny it
>>>>>>> on those
>>>>>>> > grounds?)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chip
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Edward Caissie <
>>>>>>> edward.caissie at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > IT rendered fine but like Phil pointed out, there are some obvious
>>>>>>> items to
>>>>>>> > look at ...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
>>>>>>> > <philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > yes yes and yes, renders fine sorta..
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > last post from from last october, the 404 page renders like crap
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The real template author for this is http://www.bloggerthemes.net/
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > as shown here
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> http://www.dhetemplate.com/2010/11/free-all-green-blogger-template.html#
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > (notice the paydaydesigns.info on that page)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From: Chip Bennett
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 7:47 AM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Second Opinion
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Can you read any of the content?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Does it look like screenshot.png?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Edward Caissie <
>>>>>>> edward.caissie at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > IT seems to load fine for me ... haven't tested it or anything.
>>>>>>> What issues
>>>>>>> > are you having?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Jay <furcifer at furcifer.me>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hey chip.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Just taking a quick look from my phone, it's the same theme that's
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> > author url, and i'm having issues with that.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>Hey All,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>I could not get this Theme
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >><https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/2655>to render properly
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>me. Can someone else confirm that it is the Theme,
>>>>>>> >>and not something with my test environment?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>Thanks!
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>Chip
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> > http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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