[theme-reviewers] Bundled plugins
Jose Castaneda
jomcastaneda at gmail.com
Fri Jan 24 21:11:54 UTC 2014
I totally agree with that. Main reason I chose to say case by case. :)
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> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Justin Tadlock <justin at justintadlock.com> wrote:
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> I agree that themes should not bundle plugins and would like to see a guideline on this subject. However, I do want to note that this is not always a black-and-white thing. Personally, I bundle several scripts with my themes. These are scripts written specifically for use in themes. I just also happen to have released them as standalone plugins for others to use. These plugins usually require users to enter code into their theme. Basically, I just want reviewers to keep this in mind.
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> Ultimately, what we're looking at is whether something belongs within the theme, which means it should be related to the presentation of the site. I believe our guidelines already cover this perfectly fine. Formalizing a guideline on not bundling plugins will only serve to better clarify what we already have in place.
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>> On 1/24/2014 1:21 PM, Emil Uzelac wrote:
>> I have zero issues with that, but we should add few lines in our guidelines :-)
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>>> On Jan 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Chip Bennett" <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>> Regardless of the Guidelines' stance on bundled Plugins, reviews should *always* be conducted without any recommended Plugins.
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>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> +1 to Chip on making this a formal part of the guidelines.
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>>>> I think the guidelines should specify if the review will be conducted with and without any recommended plugins activated or just without.
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>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Jose Castaneda <jomcastaneda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I, too, feel it can be a requirement that themes not bundle it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It not only takes up storage within the theme's folder but can, and, may differ from one in the repo. Who's to say they don't do a bait and switch.
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I recall from wptavern's post about the plugin repo they are able to approve a plugin fairly quickly. The biggest reason for not getting approved is because the developer doesn't respond/fix the issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
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>>>>>> ...which explains why bundled Plugins should not be allowed. Theme reviewers cannot reasonably be expected to review Plugin code.
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>>>>>> We've been discussing it for a while now. Unless there remains some reasonable opposition, I would like to formalize it, and require that Themes not bundle Plugins.
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>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Christine Rondeau <christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Oh, oh.. I wasn't aware of that. I reviewed the theme, didn't see anything wrong and so marked it as approved. I didn't even think to review the plugins, but I don't think that I could anyway. Plugins fall in a total different category.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also work for cyberchimps. I do customer support for them and I have a few themes in the repo under my name.
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>>>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
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>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In recent discussion, its recommended not to bundle the plugin, if its bundled then it has to be reviewed too.
>>>>>>>> you work for cyberchimps too?
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>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Please don't beat yourself up, we have so many questions and discussions going on and it ain't easy to keep up with all of them :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014 1:14 AM, "Christine Rondeau" <christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ok good to know. I must have misread or thought I read about plugins not being allowed as part of the theme. I try to keep up with the list, but there's a bit too much sometimes . :)
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>>>>>>>>>> I'll approve the theme then, since I think the rest is ok.
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>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
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>>>>>>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>>>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>>>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>>>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>>>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
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>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have any special guidelines about plugin being part of the Theme. It's recommended, but no it is not required. Many authors do :-)
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014 1:00 AM, "Christine Rondeau" <christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just want to double check again, but I seem to recall that plugins CANNOT be bundled with themes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm reviewing a theme right now - https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/16203#comment:4
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the theme works without the plugin and installing the plugins is optional, but if you choose to install these, they are downloaded directly from the theme.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that this is not allowed right?
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Christine
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