<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I totally agree with that. Main reason I chose to say case by case. :)<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Justin Tadlock <<a href="mailto:justin@justintadlock.com">justin@justintadlock.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    I agree that themes should not bundle plugins and would like to see
    a guideline on this subject.  However, I do want to note that this
    is not always a black-and-white thing.  Personally, I bundle several
    scripts with my themes.  These are scripts written specifically for
    use in themes.  I just also happen to have released them as
    standalone plugins for others to use.  These plugins usually require
    users to enter code into their theme.  Basically, I just want
    reviewers to keep this in mind.<br>
    <br>
    Ultimately, what we're looking at is whether something belongs
    within the theme, which means it should be related to the
    presentation of the site.  I believe our guidelines already cover
    this perfectly fine.  Formalizing a guideline on not bundling
    plugins will only serve to better clarify what we already have in
    place.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/24/2014 1:21 PM, Emil Uzelac
      wrote:<br>
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      <p dir="ltr">I have zero issues with that, but we should add few
        lines in our guidelines :-)</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Chip Bennett"
        <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net">chip@chipbennett.net</a>>
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          <div dir="ltr">Regardless of the Guidelines' stance on bundled
            Plugins, reviews should *always* be conducted without any
            recommended Plugins.</div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM,
              Josh Pollock <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jpollock412@gmail.com" target="_blank">jpollock412@gmail.com</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">+1 to Chip on making this a formal part
                  of the guidelines.
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                  <div>I think the guidelines should specify if the
                    review will be conducted with and without any
                    recommended plugins activated or just without.</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at
                        12:16 PM, Jose Castaneda <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jomcastaneda@gmail.com" target="_blank">jomcastaneda@gmail.com</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                            <div>I, too, feel it can be a requirement
                              that themes not bundle it.</div>
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                            <div>It not only takes up storage within the
                              theme's folder but can, and, may differ
                              from one in the repo. Who's to say they
                              don't do a bait and switch.</div>
                            <div><br>
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                            <div>From what I recall from wptavern's post
                              about the plugin repo they are able to
                              approve a plugin fairly quickly. The
                              biggest reason for not getting approved is
                              because the developer doesn't respond/fix
                              the issues.</div>
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                            <div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
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                                  On Jan 24, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Chip
                                  Bennett <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">...which explains why
                                      bundled Plugins should not be
                                      allowed. Theme reviewers cannot
                                      reasonably be expected to review
                                      Plugin code.
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                                      <div>We've been discussing it for
                                        a while now. Unless there
                                        remains some reasonable
                                        opposition, I would like to
                                        formalize it, and require that
                                        Themes not bundle Plugins.</div>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri,
                                        Jan 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM,
                                        Christine Rondeau <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:christine@bluelimemedia.com" target="_blank">christine@bluelimemedia.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">Oh, oh.. I
                                            wasn't aware of that. I
                                            reviewed the theme, didn't
                                            see anything wrong and so
                                            marked it as approved. I
                                            didn't even think to review
                                            the plugins, but I don't
                                            think that I could anyway.
                                            Plugins fall in a total
                                            different category. 
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                                            <div>I also work for
                                              cyberchimps. I do customer
                                              support for them and I
                                              have a few themes in the
                                              repo under my name. </div>
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                                            <div><br clear="all">
                                              <div>Christine Rondeau<br>
                                                Bluelime Media<br>
                                                <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.bluelimemedia.com" target="_blank">www.bluelimemedia.com</a><br>
                                                twitter: @bluelimemedia
                                                <div>skype:
                                                  bluelimemedia<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <b><br>
                                                  </b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:red"></span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
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                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at
                                                  3:31 AM, Srikanth
                                                  Koneru <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tskk79@gmail.com" target="_blank">tskk79@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
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                                                      <div>In recent
                                                        discussion, its
                                                        recommended not
                                                        to bundle the
                                                        plugin, if its
                                                        bundled then it
                                                        has to be
                                                        reviewed too.<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      you work for
                                                      cyberchimps too?<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          On Fri, Jan
                                                          24, 2014 at
                                                          12:53 PM, Emil
                                                          Uzelac <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <p dir="ltr">Please
                                                          don't beat
                                                          yourself up,
                                                          we have so
                                                          many questions
                                                          and
                                                          discussions
                                                          going on and
                                                          it ain't easy
                                                          to keep up
                                                          with all of
                                                          them :-)</p>
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                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Jan 24, 2014
                                                          1:14 AM,
                                                          "Christine
                                                          Rondeau" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:christine@bluelimemedia.com" target="_blank">christine@bluelimemedia.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Ok
                                                          good to know.
                                                          I must have
                                                          misread or
                                                          thought I read
                                                          about plugins
                                                          not being
                                                          allowed as
                                                          part of the
                                                          theme. I try
                                                          to keep up
                                                          with the list,
                                                          but there's a
                                                          bit too much
                                                          sometimes . :)
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          I'll approve
                                                          the theme
                                                          then, since I
                                                          think the rest
                                                          is ok.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Cheers</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                                                          <div>Christine
                                                          Rondeau<br>
                                                          Bluelime Media<br>
                                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.bluelimemedia.com" target="_blank">www.bluelimemedia.com</a><br>
                                                          twitter:
                                                          @bluelimemedia
                                                          <div>skype:
                                                          bluelimemedia<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b><br>
                                                          </b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:red"></span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
                                                          </span></b><br>
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                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Thu, Jan 23,
                                                          2014 at 11:10
                                                          PM, Emil
                                                          Uzelac <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <p dir="ltr">We
                                                          don't have any
                                                          special
                                                          guidelines
                                                          about plugin
                                                          being part of
                                                          the Theme.
                                                          It's
                                                          recommended,
                                                          but no it is
                                                          not required.
                                                          Many authors
                                                          do :-)</p>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>On Jan
                                                          24, 2014 1:00
                                                          AM, "Christine
                                                          Rondeau" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:christine@bluelimemedia.com" target="_blank">christine@bluelimemedia.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Just
                                                          want to double
                                                          check again,
                                                          but I seem to
                                                          recall that
                                                          plugins CANNOT
                                                          be bundled
                                                          with themes.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I'm
                                                          reviewing a
                                                          theme right
                                                          now - <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/16203#comment:4" target="_blank">https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/16203#comment:4</a></div>
                                                          <div>and the
                                                          theme works
                                                          without the
                                                          plugin and
                                                          installing the
                                                          plugins is
                                                          optional, but
                                                          if you choose
                                                          to install
                                                          these, they
                                                          are downloaded
                                                          directly from
                                                          the theme.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I'm
                                                          pretty sure
                                                          that this is
                                                          not allowed
                                                          right?<br>
                                                          <div><br>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>Christine<br>
                                                          <br>
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