[theme-reviewers] Newbie theme reviewer question - Browser compatability

Paul Appleyard paul at spacecat.com
Sat Feb 2 08:33:11 UTC 2013


Those things are quite hefty, I would not like to be hit by one :)

Paul

On 2/02/2013 1:45 AM, Edward Caissie wrote:
> We'll just get MS to sponsor the team and let them provide the Surface 
> to all of us ... they seem to be throwing it everywhere else
>
> Edward Caissie
> aka Cais.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com 
> <mailto:zamoose at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I think the answer is plain:
>
>     Sign up as a reviewer and the TRT sends you a Surface. *grin*
>
>
>     On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Alex Watson <alex at alexwatson.co.uk
>     <mailto:alex at alexwatson.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>         Great stuff - I'm really pleased to see this happening :)
>
>         Alex
>
>         On Friday, 1 February 2013 at 14:18, Edward Caissie wrote:
>
>>         Great! We'll see about getting it added to "Make" as well
>>
>>         Edward Caissie
>>         aka Cais.
>>
>>
>>         On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Kirk Wight <kwight at kwight.ca
>>         <mailto:kwight at kwight.ca>> wrote:
>>>         My creds don't allow me to edit Make, but I added it to the
>>>         Codex here:
>>>         http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development#Testing_and_QA
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 1 February 2013 08:54, Edward Caissie
>>>         <edward.caissie at gmail.com <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>>         @Kirk - That should actually get onto the Make site as a
>>>>         reference / resource / tool
>>>>
>>>>         Edward Caissie
>>>>         aka Cais.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Kirk Wight
>>>>         <kwight at kwight.ca <mailto:kwight at kwight.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>         Repeated, completely off-topic but entirely related,
>>>>>         Microsoft has produced a site at http://modern.ie that
>>>>>         makes testing IE as simple as possible (providing VHDs for
>>>>>         Mac and Linux as well). Just in case anyone missed it :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 1 February 2013 08:42, Edward Caissie
>>>>>         <edward.caissie at gmail.com
>>>>>         <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>         As long as the reviewer is using a "modern" browser in
>>>>>>         their process I am not overly concerned they review the
>>>>>>         theme in multiple browsers. For the most part, what we as
>>>>>>         reviewers are looking at will be apparent no matter which
>>>>>>         browser the theme is being viewed with; and, also, visual
>>>>>>         issues with the theme tend to fall mostly to aesthetics
>>>>>>         which also (for the most part) are not requirements that
>>>>>>         need to be met for approval.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Now, all that being written, if a reviewer finds that in
>>>>>>         a specific browser something doesn't *look* right (but
>>>>>>         does *work* correctly) it is strongly recommended the
>>>>>>         reviewer let the theme author know so they can address
>>>>>>         that issue if they choose to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Edward Caissie
>>>>>>         aka Cais.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Paul Appleyard
>>>>>>         <paul at spacecat.com <mailto:paul at spacecat.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>         On 1/02/2013 5:53 PM, Alex Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>         I think we should recommend that the theme works in all
>>>>>>>>         modern browsers. Microsoft have just launched
>>>>>>>>         http://www.modern.ie <http://www.modern.ie/> making it
>>>>>>>>         a lot easier to test in IE. Being a web developer I
>>>>>>>>         have a Browserstack account, as making sure my work is
>>>>>>>>         cross browser compatible is essential to me. Besides,
>>>>>>>>         nowadays its a lot easier to make sure sites work in
>>>>>>>>         IE, compared to the days of IE6!
>>>>>>>         *
>>>>>>>         *
>>>>>>>         /Agreed; but once again it comes down to the reviewer
>>>>>>>         testing it in all modern browsers./
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Btw the guy who built the theme has got back to me and
>>>>>>>>         says that the theme does not support IE9+. (odd, as i
>>>>>>>>         notice he does include the html5shiv.js, so he must be
>>>>>>>>         thinking about IE at least. Anyway I am yet to actually
>>>>>>>>         test his site in IE) As a theme reviewer, regardless of
>>>>>>>>         the guidelines I will be testing in all modern browsers
>>>>>>>>         anyway. If a site totally breaks in IE9+ (perhaps even
>>>>>>>>         in IE8) then I'd have concerns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         /So 'does not support IE9+' would mean all IE versions -
>>>>>>>         unless for some weird reason it works in, say, IE8 ..
>>>>>>>         but I guess what he's saying is that he doesn't expect
>>>>>>>         it to work properly in IE. Out of curiosity, what are
>>>>>>>         these features that IE can't handle?/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         /Paul/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         On Friday, 1 February 2013 at 07:13, Paul Appleyard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         Any new browser-centric requirements would hit a
>>>>>>>>>         limitation on what browser the reviewer uses, or can
>>>>>>>>>         use. So there's a built-in restriction on browser
>>>>>>>>>         support, in that it must support the reviewer's
>>>>>>>>>         browser, which is very likely a recent Chrome or
>>>>>>>>>         Firefox iteration.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         I guess it (theme-specified browser requirements)
>>>>>>>>>         would also come in to play as an issue if the theme
>>>>>>>>>         author is implementing some pretty specific Javascript
>>>>>>>>>         or HTML5 (some advanced canvas manipulation stuff for
>>>>>>>>>         example, although Excanvas helps there too with IE7/8)
>>>>>>>>>         And that's bleeding in to plugin territory, really.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         To sum up: If it doesn't break in a way to fail on
>>>>>>>>>         existing guidelines, let it be. Therefore, the only
>>>>>>>>>         amendment to review guidelines would be that testing
>>>>>>>>>         be done in an up-to-date browser; is that requirement
>>>>>>>>>         in there already?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Paul
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         On 1/02/2013 2:43 PM, Justin Tadlock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>         I'm pretty much in agreement with Chip.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         My personal rule in regards to IE is to support the 2
>>>>>>>>>>         latest versions, which are currently 9 and 10.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         On 1/31/2013 7:03 PM, Chip Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>         I have no problem with it. A properly developed and
>>>>>>>>>>>         designed Theme should have minimal IE issues
>>>>>>>>>>>         anymore, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         I don't "support" IE with my Theme, either. I can't;
>>>>>>>>>>>         I use Linux, and thus have no way of even *running* IE.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         Doing something that actively *excludes* IE (or any
>>>>>>>>>>>         other browser) would certainly not be acceptable;
>>>>>>>>>>>         but developing a standards-compliant Theme, and
>>>>>>>>>>>         opting not to jump through hoops for IE? Meh;
>>>>>>>>>>>         doesn't bother me all that much.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Edward Caissie
>>>>>>>>>>>         <edward.caissie at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:edward.caissie at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Flatly not supporting one of the most commonly
>>>>>>>>>>>>         found browsers (not necessarily used but it does
>>>>>>>>>>>>         come with Windows) is not a very good idea; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>         although we do not have any specific guidelines in
>>>>>>>>>>>>         place I think if a Theme Author is going that route
>>>>>>>>>>>>         something that significant should be in the Theme
>>>>>>>>>>>>         description.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         As it is, you would be better served by asking the
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Theme author to explain that statement before
>>>>>>>>>>>>         making any assumptions. As noted, it may only be
>>>>>>>>>>>>         that they are supporting current versions of IE and
>>>>>>>>>>>>         simply left off the version number in their readme
>>>>>>>>>>>>         file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Myself, for general distribution themes, I only
>>>>>>>>>>>>         support current (or one version back at the most)
>>>>>>>>>>>>         browsers. I don't state the actual version only
>>>>>>>>>>>>         making reference to the browser being current. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>         course, client work is generally different but
>>>>>>>>>>>>         those "rules" do not necessarily apply here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Edward Caissie
>>>>>>>>>>>>         aka Cais.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:12 PM, John Heimkes IV
>>>>>>>>>>>>         <john at heimk.es <mailto:john at heimk.es>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         That's a great question, actually. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         know what the general consensus is on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Don't worry about being fussy. I've been doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         front-end for many years. So, I totally get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         My personal opinion is if they're not going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         support certain browsers (aka, the browsers most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         of us web developers have to support on a daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         basis), the author /should/ make it known up front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         - especially in the CSS file for good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         documentation purposes. Some sort of clarification
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         from the author would be nice in this case. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         they're just not supporting older versions of IE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         and it looks fine in IE10, and maybe even IE9.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Anyway, I hope someone else has a better answer!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         John Heimkes IV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Jan 31, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Srikanth Koneru
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <tskk79 at gmail.com <mailto:tskk79 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Since IE has at least 30% browser share, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         theme has to support it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Alex Watson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <alex at alexwatson.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:alex at alexwatson.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Hi everyone!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         So I'm reviewing my first theme, and a few mins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         into it I find this in the readme.txt:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         * NOT SUPPORTED on Internet Explore *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Is that okay? Are themes allowed to be built and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         not work in IE at all? It's probably the fussy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         web developer side of me coming out here, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         everything I do has to work in IE8+ :) I've not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         got so far as to have tested it in IE yet, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         are we even required to do cross browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         testing? I think we should, but I can't see that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         in the review guidelines anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Anyway, please let me know if I'm just being too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         fussy here! (and sorry if this has been asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         before but I just joined this mailing list a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         couple of days ago)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Many thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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