[wp-hackers] Two new, long-overdue plugins to make your wordpress life a little easier...

[Rafael Ehlers]

Or better yet, can we make this like an option in the admin to check, just
after we install WordPress (before create any posts and etc..) ?!?!

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Bailey <jonathan at grow-creative.com
> wrote:

> I suspect the core conflict is that there are two groups using Wordpress
> for
> different purposes.
>
> In other words this not a "best practices" discussion but a requirements
> discussion.
>
> It might be more productive to delve into that angle.  What are the two
> groups using the software for?
>
> For example I don't have much use at all for feed readers, but go through
> the dev/stage/live swap with frequency.
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Kevin Miller <kevin at p51labs.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys-
> >
> > What is your process for moving sites from stage to production?   I do it
> > all the time and it takes me about 5 min or less regardless of the urls.
> > If anything, the only thing that takes more time is moving over any user
> > uploaded files but thats still pretty easy with tools like git or rsync.
> >
> > By the way, interesting points in this thread :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Dan Smart <dan at dansmart.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > (thanks for writing that, especially regarding staging/test sites. I
> > can't
> > > imagine I could trust any of my clients to touch a hosts file, even if
> > it's
> > > easy for techies to do.)
> > >
> > > Seriously - most of my clients can't understand why I have to do a load
> > of
> > > work to move from staging to production, when their experience of other
> > CMS
> > > systems leads them to think it should be a 5 min job, and to be fair,
> > most
> > > of the reasons for full URLs are from a single perspective. I love
> > > WordPress, but this is one of those things that I regularly have to
> > battle
> > > against, rather than it just working for me and my clients' sites.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > On 28 Oct 2011, at 19:32, Robert Lusby <nanogwp at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 28/10/2011 17:44, Otto wrote:
> > > >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Marcus Pope<
> > Marcus.Pope at springbox.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > > >>> Blown away by the dozens of posts from Core WP developers that root
> > > relative urls are not possible
> > > >> A fully qualified URL works every time, everywhere. It's easily
> parsed
> > > >> by search engines. It works in feed readers. It works no matter
> where
> > > >> your content is displayed.
> > > >>
> > > >> You most certainly *can* use relative URLs. You just *shouldn't*.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Otto
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> > > >
> > > > I disagree on a number of points - once again.
> > > >
> > > > While writing this I've just seen "because you might write a book"
> > listed
> > > as a reason for not changing. Seriously?
> > > >
> > > > Relative URL's change. Sites change domain. Your entire DB is then
> out
> > of
> > > date.
> > > >
> > > > Also - access on different platforms can often end up using different
> > > URL's - if I want my content avaiable in my native iOS application, I
> > have
> > > to "strip out" the URLs, and replace them with ones that keep the user
> > > within my native application (rather than the web browser).
> > > >
> > > > Although I feel "because you might write a book", is the poorest
> reason
> > > ever, what if I want my book readers to have access to a local version
> of
> > > the website (.co.uk VS .com) etc ...?
> > > >
> > > > As stressed many times before - relative URL's *don't* break things
> for
> > > anyone.
> > > >
> > > > If need-be: I'd love for this feature to go to a vote - and be
> decided
> > > that way.
> > > >
> > > > I beg of the core team to re-think this - the DB overhead that's
> added
> > on
> > > our enterprise sites.....
> > > >
> > > > Otto - how do you show clients your test site? I'm sorry but you
> can't
> > > call that staging method wrong. Working with a big blue-chip, approval
> > often
> > > has to be acheived from a number of different teams/companies, before
> > part
> > > of a website can go live - WITHOUT STOPPING THEIR ACCESS to the current
> > live
> > > site. Do you want me to go round and change the DNS/Host files for
> *all*
> > of
> > > these users in often 4/5 different companies? If so - then please also
> > > explain how do they access the current live site?
> > > >
> > > > DB changes are the only way - yes it can be automated. But why should
> > it
> > > be. Just because you might write a book?
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > >
> > > >
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