[wp-hackers] Re: Not Feeling Crazyhorse

[Frank Bueltge]

OH yes, it is easy to add a style for change the users: function
wp_admin_css_color() add new adress with css-files and small
paramters. The user can change in his user-site and use your style and
not the newest wordpress-style with anyone version of wordpress.

I write for many sites new admin-style for corporate identity and
wordpress bring a new verison with many feature sfor business. The
business users and writes in the backend dont understand the new
design - she say: why an new version.

wp_admin_css_color() is realy nice for corporate id in backend and is
very goog for the 	adjudication in business.

Sorry for my bad english.

Liebe Grüsse
Frank
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On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Jonathan Dingman <jdingman at gmail.com> wrote:
> So why not have an option to set the default wp-admin theme/style?  It
> would just be adding a few more options, some extra code here n there,
> and would make a huge difference to the users.
>
> Jonathan Dingman
> http://ginside.com
> http://wphacks.wordpress.com
>
> On Sep 15, 8:53 am, Viper007Bond <vi... at viper007bond.com> wrote:
>> There already is an API to change the admin CSS via a plugin, three ways
>> infact (listed from best to worst methods)
>>
>> 1)  Use wp_admin_css_color() to register a new admin "color" which requires
>> a new CSS file, so just add the custom CSS in there (the colors you pass to
>> that function are only used for the theme picker, they aren't actually used
>> CSS wise). When the user picks the new color scheme, they are actually
>> picking a while new design. When you switch between Fresh and Classic, you
>> just happen to be using two designs that look the same minus colors.
>>
>> 2)  Enqueue a new stylesheet:  if ( is_admin() ) wp_enqueue_style(
>> 'my-admin-theme', plugins_url('/my-admin-theme/theme.css'), array(),
>> '1.0.0', 'screen' );      but this isn't per-user like #1 is.
>>
>> 3)  Least preferred method, but you could just hook into "admin_head" and
>> output a <style> tag.
>>
>> Short of actual admin themes (which I discussed earlier and mentioned why
>> they'd be a bad idea), I can't think of how it could be any easier to reskin
>> the admin area. Heck, I have been using the above methods to make tweaks to
>> the admin area for ages now (for example, to make the category picker box
>> much taller so there's no scrollbar).
>>
>> And WordPress does ship with two admin themes already (Fresh and Classic).
>> They are the same design though, but that's because the devs pick one horse
>> and stick with it as it's been determined it's the "best" choice.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Xavier Borderie <xav... at borderie.net>wrote:
>>
>> > I'd be cool with changing the CSS of the admin area, if it was both
>> > stable and documented. As it is, AFAIK, it is more of a question of
>> > guess work, trial and errors. And not all themes developers (ie.
>> > designers more than coders) want to deal with the Plugin API.
>> > Having a solid way to update/modifiy the CSS has long been a request
>> > of some themes, even more so since the introduction of the
>> > "Fresh/Classic" color schemes. Some altruistic developers build it up,
>> > like James Dimick (
>> >http://www.jamesdimick.com/creations/easy-admin-color-schemes/), but
>> > the huge change of 2.7, one could think the core-devs would have used
>> > the "let's start from scratch" admin redesigning as a justification
>> > for going the obvious next step in this matter : at least explicit
>> > admin-CSS, at best an API...
>>
>> > Of course that would mean many many badly-built admin themes, just
>> > like there are a humongous number horribly-built wp themes out there,
>> > but in the end this would allow WP to be shipped with 2 or even 3
>> > admin theme, and that's about enough to make all users happy without
>> > having them scouring the Web for another one. And, obviously, the
>> > happy devs that live by selling custom WP, who'd be able to custom it
>> > even further. All this to say, I don't see anything wrong with this
>> > direction :)
>>
>> > -x.
>>
>> > 2008/9/15 Viper007Bond <vi... at viper007bond.com>:
>> > > That'd be a nightmare waiting to happen. Theme developers seem to have
>> > > enough trouble adding wp_head() and wp_footer() to their themes, I
>> > couldn't
>> > > imagine how they'd do with admin themes.
>>
>> > > I think the current method of just changing the CSS of the admin area is
>> > > just fine. I mean, look how different the various admin theme plugins can
>> > > make the admin area look without changing any of the DOM. Heck, worst
>> > case
>> > > scenario they could tweak the DOM via JS or PHP's output buffer.
>>
>> > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Xavier Borderie <xav... at borderie.net
>> > >wrote:
>>
>> > >> I suggested making everyone happy by building some sort of "user-made
>> > >> admin template" API, back in August.
>> > >>http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-hackers/2008-August/021448.html
>> > >> Got a bit of traction around here, if I remember well, but now we're
>> > >> too far in dev, and too close to feature freeze, to think about that.
>> > >> I think its too bad, really, 'cos it could really have been a huge
>> > >> plus for both users (ability to choose between 2.3, 2.5 and 2.7-style)
>> > >> and developers (ability to build tailor-made admin for clients).
>>
>> > >> I still think it's a neat idea, and wish the core-team would consider
>> > >> this for the near future (2.7 might be too late, so 2.8?)
>>
>> > >> -xb.
>>
>> > >> 2008/9/14 Frank Bueltge <fr... at bueltge.de>:
>> > >> > Why is it not possible to set the backend-theme in the user-settings.
>> > >> > All functions for this feature is in the core. It si hard for many
>> > >> > users you change very often the design.
>> > >> > I use wordpress in many buisiness-bligs with many authors. I set the
>> > >> > backend theme on design of WP 2.3 - the people tha tankyou, she will
>> > >> > not changes i the backend.
>>
>> > >> > Liebe Grüsse
>> > >> > Frank
>> > >> > ______________________________
>> > >> > Mein Buch: WordPress - Weblogs einrichten und administrieren | ISBN
>> > >> > 978-3-937514-33-8
>>
>> > >> > bueltge.de
>> > >> > kvfl.com
>>
>> > >> > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Aaron Brazell <emmenset... at gmail.com
>>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >> For me its not about the look and feel or ugliness. Is about
>> > >> >> usability. After a month of using and hoping I'd "get used to it",
>> > >> >> understanding from years of being a support person that users are
>> > >> >> change-averse but generally get used to changes after time, and I
>> > have
>> > >> >> not got used to it. It doesn't "feel" right and its not about colors,
>> > >> >> fonts, or backend functionality.
>>
>> > >> >> If someone cares to clarify the semantic efforts here, I'd welcome
>> > it.
>> > >> >> To me, though, its a layour change like any other layout change. I'm
>> > >> >> happy to be corrected. I admit not being close to the development
>> > >> >> cycle on this.
>>
>> > >> >> On 9/14/08, Stephane Daury <wordpr... at tekartist.org> wrote:
>>
>> > >> >>> I'm assuming that the plugins options page contention is that the
>> > >> >>> usual
>> > "/wp-admin/options-general.php?page=plugin_dir/plugin_file.php"
>> > >> >>> seems to not be working and does not load the plugin's options
>> > pages.
>>
>> > >> >>> But this might just be because it's not ready yet.
>>
>> > >> >>> Stephane
>>
>> > >> >>> On Sep 14, 2008, at 7:02, Frank Bueltge wrote:
>>
>> > >> >>>> I use in a lot of plugins with mayx options the html of the
>> > metaboxes,
>> > >> >>>> open/cles div-areas.
>> > >> >>>> This ist not a nice css in 2.7
>>
>> > >> >>>> Why ist not possible to set for the user a design?
>>
>> > >> >>>> Liebe Grüsse
>> > >> >>>> Frank
>> > >> >>>> ______________________________
>> > >> >>>> Mein Buch: WordPress - Weblogs einrichten und administrieren | ISBN
>> > >> >>>> 978-3-937514-33-8
>>
>> > >> >>>> bueltge.de
>> > >> >>>> kvfl.com
>>
>> > >> >>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Viper007Bond
>> > >> >>>> <vi... at viper007bond.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>> I like how everyone is commenting on the looks of the admin area
>> > >> >>>>> and it's
>> > >> >>>>> not even done yet.
>>
>> > >> >>>>> As for a new options page, all of my plugins work just fine in 2.7
>> > >> >>>>> with no
>> > >> >>>>> modifications. Not quite sure what you mean.
>>
>> > >> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Frank Bueltge <fr... at bueltge.de>
>> > >> >>>>> wrote:
>>
>> > >> >>>>>> I think the actually verson of the design in backend is very
>> > ugly.
>> > >> >>>>>> The
>> > >> >>>>>> html and CSS is very bad und man gugs.
>> > >> >>>>>> Th deisgn is also hard for plugin-authors. Many plugins is must
>> > >> >>>>>> write
>> > >> >>>>>> a new page for options.
>> > >> >>>>>> I hope, this is noct the end of the design in  backend and i hope
>> > >> >>>>>> alos, the user can change on your progile to the last 3 design
>> > >> >>>>>> (WP2.3
>> > >> >>>>>> and WP 2.5 classic and frsh)
>>
>> > >> >>>>>> Sorry for my bad english!
>>
>> > >> >>>>>> Liebe Grüsse
>> > >> >>>>>> Frank
>> > >> >>>>>> ______________________________
>> > >> >>>>>> Mein Buch: WordPress - Weblogs einrichten und administrieren |
>> > ISBN
>> > >> >>>>>> 978-3-937514-33-8
>>
>> > >> >>>>>> bueltge.de
>> > >> >>>>>> kvfl.com
>>
>> > >> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Jacob Santos <
>> > >> wordpr... at santosj.name
>>
>> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>> I do not share you lack of distaste in Crazyhorse. I do think it
>> > is
>> > >> >>>>>> almost
>> > >> >>>>>>> humorous that there are many bugs just testing through it. I
>> > >> >>>>>>> haven't
>> > >> >>>>>> filed
>> > >> >>>>>>> any bug reports because there are just too many that they would
>> > be
>> > >> >>>>>>> overwhelmed. I'm going to take note of them and wait until the
>> > >> >>>>>>> freeze is
>> > >> >>>>>>> conducted before filing the tickets. Hopefully, they will be
>> > >> >>>>>>> corrected.
>> > >> >>>>>> It
>> > >> >>>>>>> is the second half of September and while it is far more stable
>> > >> >>>>>>> than when
>> > >> >>>>>> I
>> > >> >>>>>>> first looked at it, I'm still not going to upgrade.
>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> To me personally, the level of customization within the various
>> > >> >>>>>>> pages is
>> > >> >>>>>>> enjoyable. I have to say, I find some sort of happiness being
>> > >> >>>>>>> able to
>> > >> >>>>>> remove
>> > >> >>>>>>> tags column, as well as other columns that I can see myself not
>> > >> >>>>>>> using on
>> > >> >>>>>>> some WordPress projects.
>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> I think too many people are seeing this as a new administration
>> > >> >>>>>>> panel
>> > >> >>>>>>> instead of what it is meant to be, an iteration of the current
>> > >> >>>>>>> administration panel. Yeah, there are many changes being made,
>> > >> >>>>>>> but many
>> > >> >>>>>> of
>> > >> >>>>>>> them are needed to ensure the ease of usability. Many parts are
>> > >> >>>>>>> intuitive
>> > >> >>>>>>> and I suggest giving the newborn some time before judging it
>> > "ugly"
>> > >> >>>>>> perhaps
>> > >> >>>>>>> it will grow up to be quite beautiful.
>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> If you are more specific in your objections, I'm sure the team
>> > >> >>>>>>> might be
>> > >> >>>>>> able
>> > >> >>>>>>> to do something about it. They are currently collecting
>>
>> ...
>>
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