[wp-hackers] Re: Not Feeling Crazyhorse

DD32 wordpress at dd32.id.au
Mon Sep 15 09:57:12 GMT 2008 

I agree.. But they're going to have to start from scratch with the 2.7  
admin i think..

Theming the backend shouldnt be *too* hard at present(But i'm not going to  
be the one who does it!), theres only a handful of files which contain  
html (and things are being moved to an API allready - Options pages) - But  
as you say, The admin theme would need to keep up with changes and  
functionality changes..

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:50:18 +1000, Viper007Bond <viper at viper007bond.com>  
wrote:

> That'd be a nightmare waiting to happen. Theme developers seem to have
> enough trouble adding wp_head() and wp_footer() to their themes, I  
> couldn't
> imagine how they'd do with admin themes.
>
> I think the current method of just changing the CSS of the admin area is
> just fine. I mean, look how different the various admin theme plugins can
> make the admin area look without changing any of the DOM. Heck, worst  
> case
> scenario they could tweak the DOM via JS or PHP's output buffer.
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Xavier Borderie  
> <xavier at borderie.net>wrote:
>
>> I suggested making everyone happy by building some sort of "user-made
>> admin template" API, back in August.
>> http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-hackers/2008-August/021448.html
>> Got a bit of traction around here, if I remember well, but now we're
>> too far in dev, and too close to feature freeze, to think about that.
>> I think its too bad, really, 'cos it could really have been a huge
>> plus for both users (ability to choose between 2.3, 2.5 and 2.7-style)
>> and developers (ability to build tailor-made admin for clients).
>>
>> I still think it's a neat idea, and wish the core-team would consider
>> this for the near future (2.7 might be too late, so 2.8?)
>>
>> -xb.
>>
>> 2008/9/14 Frank Bueltge <frank at bueltge.de>:
>> > Why is it not possible to set the backend-theme in the user-settings.
>> > All functions for this feature is in the core. It si hard for many
>> > users you change very often the design.
>> > I use wordpress in many buisiness-bligs with many authors. I set the
>> > backend theme on design of WP 2.3 - the people tha tankyou, she will
>> > not changes i the backend.
>> >
>> > Liebe Grüsse
>> > Frank
>> > ______________________________
>> > Mein Buch: WordPress - Weblogs einrichten und administrieren | ISBN
>> > 978-3-937514-33-8
>> >
>> > bueltge.de
>> > kvfl.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Aaron Brazell <emmensetech at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> For me its not about the look and feel or ugliness. Is about
>> >> usability. After a month of using and hoping I'd "get used to it",
>> >> understanding from years of being a support person that users are
>> >> change-averse but generally get used to changes after time, and I  
>> have
>> >> not got used to it. It doesn't "feel" right and its not about colors,
>> >> fonts, or backend functionality.
>> >>
>> >> If someone cares to clarify the semantic efforts here, I'd welcome  
>> it.
>> >> To me, though, its a layour change like any other layout change. I'm
>> >> happy to be corrected. I admit not being close to the development
>> >> cycle on this.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 9/14/08, Stephane Daury <wordpress at tekartist.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm assuming that the plugins options page contention is that the
>> >>> usual  
>> "/wp-admin/options-general.php?page=plugin_dir/plugin_file.php"
>> >>> seems to not be working and does not load the plugin's options  
>> pages.
>> >>>
>> >>> But this might just be because it's not ready yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Stephane
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sep 14, 2008, at 7:02, Frank Bueltge wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I use in a lot of plugins with mayx options the html of the  
>> metaboxes,
>> >>>> open/cles div-areas.
>> >>>> This ist not a nice css in 2.7
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Why ist not possible to set for the user a design?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Liebe Grüsse
>> >>>> Frank
>> >>>> ______________________________
>> >>>> Mein Buch: WordPress - Weblogs einrichten und administrieren | ISBN
>> >>>> 978-3-937514-33-8
>> >>>>
>> >>>> bueltge.de
>> >>>> kvfl.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Viper007Bond
>> >>>> <viper at viper007bond.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> I like how everyone is commenting on the looks of the admin area
>> >>>>> and it's
>> >>>>> not even done yet.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As for a new options page, all of my plugins work just fine in 2.7
>> >>>>> with no
>> >>>>> modifications. Not quite sure what you mean.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Frank Bueltge <frank at bueltge.de>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I think the actually verson of the design in backend is very  
>> ugly.
>> >>>>>> The
>> >>>>>> html and CSS is very bad und man gugs.
>> >>>>>> Th deisgn is also hard for plugin-authors. Many plugins is must
>> >>>>>> write
>> >>>>>> a new page for options.
>> >>>>>> I hope, this is noct the end of the design in  backend and i hope
>> >>>>>> alos, the user can change on your progile to the last 3 design
>> >>>>>> (WP2.3
>> >>>>>> and WP 2.5 classic and frsh)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sorry for my bad english!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Liebe Grüsse
>> >>>>>> Frank
>> >>>>>> ______________________________
>> >>>>>> Mein Buch: WordPress - Weblogs einrichten und administrieren |  
>> ISBN
>> >>>>>> 978-3-937514-33-8
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> bueltge.de
>> >>>>>> kvfl.com
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Jacob Santos <
>> wordpress at santosj.name
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I do not share you lack of distaste in Crazyhorse. I do think  
>> it is
>> >>>>>> almost
>> >>>>>>> humorous that there are many bugs just testing through it. I
>> >>>>>>> haven't
>> >>>>>> filed
>> >>>>>>> any bug reports because there are just too many that they would  
>> be
>> >>>>>>> overwhelmed. I'm going to take note of them and wait until the
>> >>>>>>> freeze is
>> >>>>>>> conducted before filing the tickets. Hopefully, they will be
>> >>>>>>> corrected.
>> >>>>>> It
>> >>>>>>> is the second half of September and while it is far more stable
>> >>>>>>> than when
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>> first looked at it, I'm still not going to upgrade.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> To me personally, the level of customization within the various
>> >>>>>>> pages is
>> >>>>>>> enjoyable. I have to say, I find some sort of happiness being
>> >>>>>>> able to
>> >>>>>> remove
>> >>>>>>> tags column, as well as other columns that I can see myself not
>> >>>>>>> using on
>> >>>>>>> some WordPress projects.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I think too many people are seeing this as a new administration
>> >>>>>>> panel
>> >>>>>>> instead of what it is meant to be, an iteration of the current
>> >>>>>>> administration panel. Yeah, there are many changes being made,
>> >>>>>>> but many
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> them are needed to ensure the ease of usability. Many parts are
>> >>>>>>> intuitive
>> >>>>>>> and I suggest giving the newborn some time before judging it  
>> "ugly"
>> >>>>>> perhaps
>> >>>>>>> it will grow up to be quite beautiful.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If you are more specific in your objections, I'm sure the team
>> >>>>>>> might be
>> >>>>>> able
>> >>>>>>> to do something about it. They are currently collecting input on
>> >>>>>>> whether
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> "New Post" button should be at the top or where the menu is.  
>> That
>> >>>>>>> was
>> >>>>>> added
>> >>>>>>> after the testing and so there haven't been enough input on  
>> which
>> >>>>>> location
>> >>>>>>> it should be.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jacob Santos
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Aaron Brazell wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hey folks-
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I've been using trunk on one of my blogs and tracked the
>> >>>>>>>> Crazyhorse
>> >>>>>> stuff.
>> >>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>> guess part of me hoped that there would be some sense brought  
>> to
>> >>>>>>>> it, but
>> >>>>>>>> then everything I hated about it was merged into trunk. No
>> >>>>>>>> offense to
>> >>>>>>>> anyone
>> >>>>>>>> who did any of the work, but it just doesn't feel right.
>> >>>>>>>> Thinking it
>> >>>>>> might
>> >>>>>>>> just be me, I got second opinions. It just doesn't feel right.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Granted, we're on this course now and there's no turning back.
>> >>>>>>>> It would
>> >>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>> nice, though, if there were a option to use the more  
>> traditional
>> >>>>>>>> backend
>> >>>>>>>> instead. Something along the lines of the Fresh/Classic color
>> >>>>>>>> scheme
>> >>>>>>>> switcher. Thoughts?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
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