[wordpress] Re: [wp-hackers] Themes not all they should be?

[Robert Deaton]

The first point, I argued for a while, and from the looks of the 
conversations it probably won't happen.

On Apr 12, 2005 3:04 PM, denis at semiologic.com <denis at semiologic.com> wrote:
> 
> Greets,
> 
> I've been more or less working on 'tiles' in the past few weeks or so. I 
> created
> a canvas that could allow me to add and remove features in one click, 
> through
> the use of plugins.
> 
> http://www.semiologic.com/projects/sem-theme/
> 
> It is far from over, but I think I can share a few educated viewpoints.
> 
> WordPress is not far from having a temporary solution already. At most, 
> we're
> missing a few api hooks like wp_head and wp_footer. Once these are 
> available,
> you can create the template as such:
> 
> <div id="header"> ... <?php wp_head(); ?> ... </div>
> <div id="body"> ... loop <?php wp_post(); ?> ... <?php wp_comment(); ?> 
> ...
> </div>
> <div id="sidebar"> ... <?php wp_sidebar(); ?> ... </div>
> <div id="footer"> ... <?php wp_footer(); ?> ... </div>
> 
> And add a plugin to configure and filter the hooks for your theme -- like 
> I did
> in my theme, though arguably not to such an extent.
> 
> This has two downsides:
> 
> - On the one side, theme authors need to be extremely wary of inserting 
> hooks at
> the right places.
> 
> - On the other, plugin authors need to be consistent in the way they wrap
> plugins, and should probably encapsulate plugin in a way to make it theme
> independent -- rather than specifically designed for the Kubrick theme.
> 
> Arguably, the above is far from satisfying to the more control hungry 
> users. But
> it is good enough for the average blogger who doesn't want to edit a php 
> file.
> And quite frankly, I found it good enough to resist the idea (trouble?) of
> managing a site with Mambo or Limbo -- WordPress' simplicity gives it a 
> lot
> more potential than the two previous.
> 
> I think three key key points could make things easier for everyone:
> 
> - Having WordPress visit the theme's config.php file immediately after 
> visiting
> the plugin files, including when you are in the admin section
> - A define_area function for theme authors, that lets them define areas 
> named
> 'header', 'footer', 'pre_post', etc. as they see fit; a define_tile would
> likely be a good idea too
> - An option panel called "Plugin Display" panel, where plugins are listed, 
> each
> with a select box populated by the current theme's area, to let the user 
> define
> where he wants the features he is adding to be displayed
> 
> my $.02
> 
> --
> Denis
> http://www.semiologic.com
> 
> 
> Quoting Elliott Bäck <ecb29 at cornell.edu>:
> 
> > Yeah.
> >
> > The reason I write that is because I want meta themes. I'm not the kind
> > of type who wants to slap in some themes and release my new website. At
> > a minimum, I'm going to heavily customize a codebase ... but
> > unfortunately there I lose the customization when I switch between 
> themes!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elliott C. Bäck
> >
> > 607-229-0623
> > http://elliottback.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Little wrote:
> >
> > >This kind of development would take Wordpress very firmly into the CMS
> > >arena and naturally increase it's complexity.
> > >
> > >I'm not sure that's where everyone wants to go.
> > >
> > >I also suspect that this would be something which would be made much
> > >easier with Smarty
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >
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