<div dir="ltr">Authors that offer this as an optional feature via Theme Options<div>should not be allowed to include them with their Themes! Why?</div><div><br></div><div>I really don't see the reason to ban this from Themes. Recommend,</div>
<div>sure, let's do that, but to say no, you cannot, is just wrong :)</div><div><br></div><div>Excluding this from Themes (<i>in case that author does not fork</i></div><div><i>into a plugin</i>) will "break" the Theme and that user experience we</div>
<div>talked about will be a terrible one. Not to mention the author.</div><div><br></div><div>So in this case it's fine to do that because that's the guideline</div><div>but it is not if the same user decides to switch the Theme and</div>
<div>loses their features. Sorry I don't buy that.</div><div><br></div><div><i>Cease and desist :(</i><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Justin Tadlock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:justin@justintadlock.com" target="_blank">justin@justintadlock.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
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    I've stayed out this discussion because I thought it'd be over with
    by now.† This particular case seems to be clear-cut plugin
    territory.† I can't think of a good reason for Analytics codes,
    Webmaster IDs, and stuff like that to be in a theme.† It doesn't
    make sense from a developer or user perspective.<br>
    <br>
    Would I reject a theme for one of these things?† Probably not if
    that was the only issue, but I'd ask for it to be removed in the
    next version.<br>
    <br>
    There are other borderline plugin/theme things that would've made
    for a better discussion.<div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    On 7/15/2013 4:10 PM, Emil Uzelac wrote:<br>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Would it be acceptable if <a href="http://make.wordpress.org/themes/guidelines/guidelines-plugin-territory/" target="_blank">this
          guideline</a> does not apply to the Themes that are already in
        repository?
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>
          <i>Plugin Territory Guidelines are required for new Themes,
            and recommended for existing Themes.</i><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>If there are no security issues, conflict with the core
          etc.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Am I asking too much, what do you think?</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>P.S. Also only few of us are discussing this, are the rest
          not interested, affected, what's up?</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Emil†</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM,
          Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div dir="ltr">
                <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Calibri'">
                  <div>
                    <div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';display:inline;font-weight:normal">Excuse
                      me, Mr. Bennett.†† As part of the Ďcommunityí;
                      there have been discussions for and against, yet
                      YOU working OUT of the team made the determination
                      as a requirement.††† You completely ignored the
                      make WordPress themes conversation when it was
                      first discussed and decided ON YOUR OWN.††† In an
                      email with otherís they were still under the
                      impression that it was Ďrecommendedí still up
                      until several weeks ago when it came back into
                      topic of conversation.</div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';display:inline;font-weight:normal">†</div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';display:inline;font-weight:normal">While
                      it would be beneficial for you to believe you are
                      in a team, your actions have stated otherwise.††
                      From the very beginning to now.</div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';display:inline;font-weight:normal">†</div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div style="FONT:10pt tahoma">
                      <div style="BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
                        <div><b>From:</b> <a title="chip@chipbennett.net" href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">Chip Bennett</a> </div>
                        <div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 15, 2013 8:27 AM</div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div><b>To:</b> <a title="theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">Discussion
                                list for WordPress theme reviewers.</a>
                            </div>
                            <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [theme-reviewers]
                              Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin territory?</div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div>†</div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';display:inline;font-weight:normal">
                        <div dir="ltr">For the record: the Theme Review
                          Admins work as a team. There is no "leader".
                          It has always been that way, and will continue
                          to be that way, unless and until we are told
                          otherwise.
                          <div>†</div>
                          <div>The community rep is just that: a liaison
                            to communicate with the rest of the
                            WordPress community. The community rep
                            doesn't have to be one of the Admins (and I
                            think it would be great if a non-admin would
                            want to take up that role sometime).</div>
                          <div>†</div>
                          <div>What we are engaging in at the moment is
                            a *discussion*. As part of that discussion,
                            Emil and I are expressing our opinions. It
                            is not required that all Admins hold to the
                            same opinion (nor would such be a benefit).
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                          <br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 15, 2013
                            at 11:18 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>></span>
                            wrote:<br>
                            <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
                              <div dir="ltr">
                                <div dir="ltr">
                                  <div style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:12pt">
                                    <div>End users have lived with it so
                                      far, there havenít been any major
                                      complaints or suggestions on the
                                      forums to say the contrary.†† I
                                      believe you are over emphasizing
                                      the severity.</div>
                                    <div>†</div>
                                    <div>There are people including
                                      myself that do not agree with this
                                      and you personally are not
                                      listening to the community.† Which
                                      makes things difficult because you
                                      apparently have no one to answer
                                      to.†† Last I checked Emil was lead
                                      at the moment and you are not.††
                                      When the community itself or
                                      members thereof do not like the
                                      results that are happening there
                                      needs to be someone that can be
                                      talked with that can mediate the
                                      situation and make a
                                      determination.</div>
                                    <div>†</div>
                                    <div>It would behoove you to not be
                                      as adamant as you are.†† Consider
                                      a compromise then, most of our
                                      Ďconcernsí with the myself and
                                      others who have had themes on the
                                      repo for a predominate amount of
                                      time would not like to see our end
                                      users have the headache that it
                                      will cause to add an additional
                                      plugin.†† Hostings like 1and1 and
                                      some others are very limited with
                                      their memory usage; <strong>so
                                        consider making it so that all
                                        NEW themes as a requirement to
                                        not include said plugin
                                        territory options and things in
                                        priority 1 should be a bit more
                                        lenient in reviewing updates</strong>.</div>
                                    <div>†</div>
                                    <div>I am already maxed out in tech
                                      support as it is where I do not
                                      have time nor the inclination to
                                      sit here and worry about 20,000+
                                      people who are going to be
                                      emailing me or adding post after
                                      post on the forums concerning a
                                      new update which destroys their
                                      site.††† Currently I already point
                                      them to the github instead of the
                                      repo.†† I am positive that the
                                      repo was there for themeís to be
                                      able to be stored and able to be a
                                      helpful tool for the end user and
                                      not a hindrance.</div>
                                    <div>†</div>
                                    <div>†</div>
                                    <div style="FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
                                      <div style="FONT:10pt tahoma">
                                        <div>†</div>
                                        <div style="BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
                                          <div><b>From:</b> <a title="chip@chipbennett.net" href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">Chip Bennett</a> </div>
                                          <div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July
                                            15, 2013 5:12 AM</div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div><b>To:</b> <a title="theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">Discussion
                                                list for WordPress theme
                                                reviewers.</a> </div>
                                            <div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                              [theme-reviewers]
                                              Webmaster Tools IDs -
                                              plugin territory?</div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>†</div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div style="FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
                                      <div dir="ltr"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:calibri;FONT-SIZE:12pt"></span><br>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div class="gmail_extra">
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
                                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                                      <div style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:12pt">
                                                        <div>Those when
                                                          switching to
                                                          one theme or
                                                          another will
                                                          have some
                                                          things no
                                                          longer work Ė
                                                          and that is
                                                          fine.† There
                                                          are plenty of
                                                          ways, avenues
                                                          and
                                                          programming
                                                          that you can
                                                          take to
                                                          include those
                                                          features into
                                                          the theme you
                                                          switch to.</div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </blockquote>
                                                <div>†</div>
                                                <div>I disagree with
                                                  "and that is fine."
                                                  Most end users aren't
                                                  developers, and won't
                                                  have the skills or
                                                  desire to take
                                                  advantage of the
                                                  "plenty of ways,
                                                  avenues and
                                                  programming" to add
                                                  missing functionality
                                                  to their new Theme.</div>
                                                <div>†</div>
                                                <div>The single most
                                                  important party in
                                                  this consideration is
                                                  not the Theme
                                                  developer, or the
                                                  Theme reviewers, but
                                                  rather the Theme's end
                                                  users. </div>
                                                <div>†</div>
                                                <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
                                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                                      <div style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:12pt">
                                                        <div>†</div>
                                                        <div>The BIGGEST
                                                          idea about
                                                          that the
                                                          donít-worry-about-it
                                                          groupís main
                                                          objective is
                                                          to make the
                                                          theme review
                                                          process easier
                                                          and faster to
                                                          get through.††
                                                          The biggest
                                                          thing that
                                                          people get
                                                          hung up on
                                                          returning day
                                                          after day to
                                                          review themes
                                                          is how time
                                                          consuming they
                                                          are to go
                                                          through.†† We
                                                          also believe
                                                          that itís not
                                                          the theme
                                                          review teamís
                                                          responsibility
                                                          to control
                                                          that aspect of
                                                          allowing a
                                                          theme to have
                                                          a feature or
                                                          not, that is
                                                          up to the core
                                                          devís to make
                                                          that
                                                          determination.</div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </blockquote>
                                                <div>†</div>
                                                <div>The core team has
                                                  made it the Theme
                                                  Review Team's
                                                  responsibility. </div>
                                                <div>†</div>
                                                <div>And I disagree that
                                                  what you're suggesting
                                                  would make Theme
                                                  reviews easier. Why
                                                  would a Theme review
                                                  be easier if the Theme
                                                  can include any manner
                                                  of arbitrary
                                                  functionality?
                                                  Allowing functionality
                                                  that goes beyond
                                                  presentation of user
                                                  content just means
                                                  that much more code
                                                  that a reviewer has to
                                                  review, understand,
                                                  and test. </div>
                                                <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
                                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                                      <div style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:12pt">
                                                        <div>†</div>
                                                        <div>Use all of
                                                          the plugins,
                                                          theme unit
                                                          test and
                                                          requirements
                                                          for the
                                                          backlinks and
                                                          other
                                                          things.†† Do
                                                          the cursory
                                                          views of
                                                          everything
                                                          thatís
                                                          important and
                                                          move em
                                                          through the
                                                          review
                                                          process. </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </blockquote>
                                                <div>†</div>
                                                <div>That's not
                                                  sufficient for the end
                                                  user. Code needs to be
                                                  secure. Included
                                                  functionality needs to
                                                  work properly.I
                                                  contend that those
                                                  considerations *are*
                                                  important to end
                                                  users. Thus,
                                                  everything that a
                                                  Theme indicates that
                                                  it does needs to be
                                                  tested during the
                                                  review process.</div>
                                                <div>†</div>
                                                <div>The single most
                                                  important party in
                                                  this consideration is
                                                  not the Theme
                                                  developer, or the
                                                  Theme reviewers, but
                                                  rather the Theme's end
                                                  users.</div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
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                                        theme-reviewers mailing list<br>
                                        <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
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                              <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
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                              <br>
                            </blockquote>
                          </div>
                          <div>†</div>
                        </div>
                        <p>
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                        <hr>
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