<div dir="ltr">I take a different perspective: the end-user experience shouldn't just factor into everything we do; it should be the primary focus.<div><ul><li>Why are copyright and licensing so important? Because they protect end-user freedoms.<br>
</li><li>Why is handling of credit link text and removal instructions so important? So that end users are not unwittingly used as advertisers, and so that they are not misled.<br></li><li>Why are code quality and data security so important? Because it is the end user who is harmed if the Theme throws errors, causes performance issues, or leads to a security breach.<br>
</li><li>Why is it important that Themes incorporate features in a manner consistent with core implementation? Because the end user would be harmed if a Theme causes interaction problems with core, or with Plugins.<br></li>
<li>In the same vein, why is it important that Themes maintain a clear distinction between presentation and functionality? Because the end user is harmed when losing non-presentational functionality (or worse: user-generated content) when switching Themes.<br>
</li></ul></div><div>Most of these things aren't issues for developers. We generally understand the implications of the GPL, and know how to de-couple functionality from a Theme. We know how to find code errors, and how to fix security vulnerabilities. The vast majority of end users don't. Developers don't need any of the Theme Review Guidelines for their own purposes. But under free software philosophy, it is not the developer's purposes but rather the end user's purposes that are paramount.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Now, obviously, there are limits - feasibility, due diligence, etc. - in the implementation. But as a matter of principle/philosophy, we *must* consider the end user.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Emil Uzelac <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">From Theme Review to User experience is a long journey†<div>and should not be part of TRT, because it will never end.</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Dane Morgan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dane@danemorganmedia.com" target="_blank">dane@danemorganmedia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    <div>I fully disagree, though I'm not sure
      what that is worth since i have yet to start reviewing themes. I
      follow this more to learn and see things develop. Though I am
      considering jumping it to volunteer as well.<div><div><br>
      <br>
      On 2013-07-15 16:58, Emil Uzelac wrote:<br>
    </div></div></div><div><div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Anyone can change it, we just need to agree that
        this is acceptable :)</div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Harish
          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@harishchouhan.com" target="_blank">me@harishchouhan.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-IN">
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi
                    Emil,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">†</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Now
                    that is the perfect list. I hope admins, and whoever
                    are in charge adopt this list. This will this end
                    this discussion.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">†</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Also
                    when anything extra such as SEO options, custom post
                    types are used, we can make it mandatory that the
                    theme developer properly documents it somewhere so
                    itís easier to use along with a mandatory warning
                    about what would happen if theme is changed.</span></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">†</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040">†</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040">Regards,</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%">
                    <span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040">Harish
                      Chouhan</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">†</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0d0d0d">Visit
                        me at </span></b><span style="font-size:16.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0d0d0d">-
                    </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.harishchouhan.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;color:black">www.harishchouhan.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0d0d0d">
                    </span><span style="font-size:16.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0d0d0d"><br>
                      <br>
                    </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0d0d0d"></span></b></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">†</span></p>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> theme-reviewers [mailto:<a href="mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org</a>]
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Emil Uzelac<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Tue 16 July 13 03:14 AM</span></p>
                <div>
                  <div><br>
                    <b>To:</b> Discussion list for WordPress theme
                    reviewers.<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster
                    Tools IDs - plugin territory?</div>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I would not
                          base this on another Theme and yes it does
                          seem unfair</span></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">
                          <span>for new Themes. The only items
                            that should be required are:</span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:13.5pt;line-height:13.65pt">
                          <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>∑<span>†††††††† </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Removing
                            or modifying non-presentational core hooks</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:13.5pt;line-height:13.65pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>∑<span>†††††††† </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Disabling
                            the admin toolbar</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:13.5pt;line-height:13.65pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>∑<span>†††††††† </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Resource
                            compression/caching</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">robots.txt
                              can be stopped via uploaded, so that part
                              does not need</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">to
                              be in.†</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">
                            <span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">And
                              we can recommend the rest:</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:13.5pt;line-height:13.65pt">
                            <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>∑<span>†††††††† </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Analytics
                              scripts</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:13.5pt;line-height:13.65pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>∑<span>†††††††† </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">SEO
                              options (meta tags, page title, post
                              titles, robots.txt, etc.)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:13.5pt;line-height:13.65pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>∑<span>†††††††† </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Content
                              Sharing buttons/links</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:13.5pt;line-height:13.65pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>∑<span>†††††††† </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Custom
                              post-content shortcodes</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:13.5pt;line-height:13.65pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>∑<span>†††††††† </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Custom
                              Post Types</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:13.5pt;line-height:13.65pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>∑<span>†††††††† </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Custom
                              Taxonomies</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Good,
                              not, what do you think?†</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">†</p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">
                          On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Harish <<a href="mailto:me@harishchouhan.com" target="_blank">me@harishchouhan.com</a>>
                          wrote:</p>
                        <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This
                                  sounds good for existing themes.
                                  However it would then seem unfair for
                                  new themes as old themes would have
                                  more features and the new once would
                                  feel of less value. </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">†</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Instead,
                                  let us consider based on say popular
                                  themes such as Responsive, etc. and
                                  whatever features they have, make them
                                  acceptable for all new themes and lets
                                  just end that. </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">†</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040">†</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040">Regards,</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%">
                                <span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040">Harish
                                </span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">†</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> theme-reviewers [mailto:<a href="mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org</a>]
                                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Emil Uzelac<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Tue 16 July 13 02:41 AM</span></p>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                    <b>To:</b> Discussion list for
                                    WordPress theme reviewers.<br>
                                    <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                    [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools
                                    IDs - plugin territory?</p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Would it be
                                      acceptable if <a href="http://make.wordpress.org/themes/guidelines/guidelines-plugin-territory/" target="_blank">this guideline</a>
                                      does not apply to the Themes that
                                      are already in repository?</p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><i>Plugin
                                          Territory Guidelines are
                                          required for new Themes, and
                                          recommended for existing
                                          Themes.</i></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">
                                        †</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">If there are
                                        no security issues, conflict
                                        with the core etc.</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Am I asking
                                        too much, what do you think?</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">P.S. Also
                                        only few of us are discussing
                                        this, are the rest not
                                        interested, affected, what's up?</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">
                                        †</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Emil†</p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">†</p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul
                                        15, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Philip M.
                                        Hofer (Frumph) <<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>>
                                        wrote:</p>
                                      <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Excuse
                                                      me, Mr. Bennett.††
                                                      As part of the
                                                      Ďcommunityí; there
                                                      have been
                                                      discussions for
                                                      and against, yet
                                                      YOU working OUT of
                                                      the team made the
                                                      determination as a
                                                      requirement.†††
                                                      You completely
                                                      ignored the make
                                                      WordPress themes
                                                      conversation when
                                                      it was first
                                                      discussed and
                                                      decided ON YOUR
                                                      OWN.††† In an
                                                      email with otherís
                                                      they were still
                                                      under the
                                                      impression that it
                                                      was Ďrecommendedí
                                                      still up until
                                                      several weeks ago
                                                      when it came back
                                                      into topic of
                                                      conversation.</span></p>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">While it
                                                      would be
                                                      beneficial for you
                                                      to believe you are
                                                      in a team, your
                                                      actions have
                                                      stated
                                                      otherwise.†† From
                                                      the very beginning
                                                      to now.</span></p>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke">
                                                        <b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                                          <a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" title="chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">Chip
                                                          Bennett</a> </span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                                          Monday, July
                                                          15, 2013 8:27
                                                          AM</span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                                          <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" title="theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.</a> </span></p>


                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                                          Re:
                                                          [theme-reviewers]
                                                          Webmaster
                                                          Tools IDs -
                                                          plugin
                                                          territory?</span></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">For the
                                                          record: the
                                                          Theme Review
                                                          Admins work as
                                                          a team. There
                                                          is no
                                                          "leader". It
                                                          has always
                                                          been that way,
                                                          and will
                                                          continue to be
                                                          that way,
                                                          unless and
                                                          until we are
                                                          told
                                                          otherwise. </span></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The
                                                          community rep
                                                          is just that:
                                                          a liaison to
                                                          communicate
                                                          with the rest
                                                          of the
                                                          WordPress
                                                          community. The
                                                          community rep
                                                          doesn't have
                                                          to be one of
                                                          the Admins
                                                          (and I think
                                                          it would be
                                                          great if a
                                                          non-admin
                                                          would want to
                                                          take up that
                                                          role
                                                          sometime).</span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What we
                                                          are engaging
                                                          in at the
                                                          moment is a
                                                          *discussion*.
                                                          As part of
                                                          that
                                                          discussion,
                                                          Emil and I are
                                                          expressing our
                                                          opinions. It
                                                          is not
                                                          required that
                                                          all Admins
                                                          hold to the
                                                          same opinion
                                                          (nor would
                                                          such be a
                                                          benefit). </span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Mon,
                                                          Jul 15, 2013
                                                          at 11:18 AM,
                                                          Philip M.
                                                          Hofer (Frumph)
                                                          <<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:</span></p>
                                                        <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">End users
                                                          have lived
                                                          with it so
                                                          far, there
                                                          havenít been
                                                          any major
                                                          complaints or
                                                          suggestions on
                                                          the forums to
                                                          say the
                                                          contrary.†† I
                                                          believe you
                                                          are over
                                                          emphasizing
                                                          the severity.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There are
                                                          people
                                                          including
                                                          myself that do
                                                          not agree with
                                                          this and you
                                                          personally are
                                                          not listening
                                                          to the
                                                          community.†
                                                          Which makes
                                                          things
                                                          difficult
                                                          because you
                                                          apparently
                                                          have no one to
                                                          answer to.††
                                                          Last I checked
                                                          Emil was lead
                                                          at the moment
                                                          and you are
                                                          not.†† When
                                                          the community
                                                          itself or
                                                          members
                                                          thereof do not
                                                          like the
                                                          results that
                                                          are happening
                                                          there needs to
                                                          be someone
                                                          that can be
                                                          talked with
                                                          that can
                                                          mediate the
                                                          situation and
                                                          make a
                                                          determination.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It would
                                                          behoove you to
                                                          not be as
                                                          adamant as you
                                                          are.††
                                                          Consider a
                                                          compromise
                                                          then, most of
                                                          our Ďconcernsí
                                                          with the
                                                          myself and
                                                          others who
                                                          have had
                                                          themes on the
                                                          repo for a
                                                          predominate
                                                          amount of time
                                                          would not like
                                                          to see our end
                                                          users have the
                                                          headache that
                                                          it will cause
                                                          to add an
                                                          additional
                                                          plugin.††
                                                          Hostings like
                                                          1and1 and some
                                                          others are
                                                          very limited
                                                          with their
                                                          memory usage;
                                                          <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">so
                                                          consider
                                                          making it so
                                                          that all NEW
                                                          themes as a
                                                          requirement to
                                                          not include
                                                          said plugin
                                                          territory
                                                          options and
                                                          things in
                                                          priority 1
                                                          should be a
                                                          bit more
                                                          lenient in
                                                          reviewing
                                                          updates</span></strong>.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I am
                                                          already maxed
                                                          out in tech
                                                          support as it
                                                          is where I do
                                                          not have time
                                                          nor the
                                                          inclination to
                                                          sit here and
                                                          worry about
                                                          20,000+ people
                                                          who are going
                                                          to be emailing
                                                          me or adding
                                                          post after
                                                          post on the
                                                          forums
                                                          concerning a
                                                          new update
                                                          which destroys
                                                          their site.†††
                                                          Currently I
                                                          already point
                                                          them to the
                                                          github instead
                                                          of the repo.††
                                                          I am positive
                                                          that the repo
                                                          was there for
                                                          themeís to be
                                                          able to be
                                                          stored and
                                                          able to be a
                                                          helpful tool
                                                          for the end
                                                          user and not a
                                                          hindrance.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                                          <a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" title="chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">Chip
                                                          Bennett</a> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                                          Monday, July
                                                          15, 2013 5:12
                                                          AM</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                                          <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" title="theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.</a> </span></p>


                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                                          Re:
                                                          [theme-reviewers]
                                                          Webmaster
                                                          Tools IDs -
                                                          plugin
                                                          territory?</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">


                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Those
                                                          when switching
                                                          to one theme
                                                          or another
                                                          will have some
                                                          things no
                                                          longer work Ė
                                                          and that is
                                                          fine.† There
                                                          are plenty of
                                                          ways, avenues
                                                          and
                                                          programming
                                                          that you can
                                                          take to
                                                          include those
                                                          features into
                                                          the theme you
                                                          switch to.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
                                                          disagree with
                                                          "and that is
                                                          fine." Most
                                                          end users
                                                          aren't
                                                          developers,
                                                          and won't have
                                                          the skills or
                                                          desire to take
                                                          advantage of
                                                          the "plenty of
                                                          ways, avenues
                                                          and
                                                          programming"
                                                          to add missing
                                                          functionality
                                                          to their new
                                                          Theme.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The
                                                          single most
                                                          important
                                                          party in this
                                                          consideration
                                                          is not the
                                                          Theme
                                                          developer, or
                                                          the Theme
                                                          reviewers, but
                                                          rather the
                                                          Theme's end
                                                          users. </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">


                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The
                                                          BIGGEST idea
                                                          about that the
                                                          donít-worry-about-it
                                                          groupís main
                                                          objective is
                                                          to make the
                                                          theme review
                                                          process easier
                                                          and faster to
                                                          get through.††
                                                          The biggest
                                                          thing that
                                                          people get
                                                          hung up on
                                                          returning day
                                                          after day to
                                                          review themes
                                                          is how time
                                                          consuming they
                                                          are to go
                                                          through.†† We
                                                          also believe
                                                          that itís not
                                                          the theme
                                                          review teamís
                                                          responsibility
                                                          to control
                                                          that aspect of
                                                          allowing a
                                                          theme to have
                                                          a feature or
                                                          not, that is
                                                          up to the core
                                                          devís to make
                                                          that
                                                          determination.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The core
                                                          team has made
                                                          it the Theme
                                                          Review Team's
                                                          responsibility.
                                                          </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">And I
                                                          disagree that
                                                          what you're
                                                          suggesting
                                                          would make
                                                          Theme reviews
                                                          easier. Why
                                                          would a Theme
                                                          review be
                                                          easier if the
                                                          Theme can
                                                          include any
                                                          manner of
                                                          arbitrary
                                                          functionality?
                                                          Allowing
                                                          functionality
                                                          that goes
                                                          beyond
                                                          presentation
                                                          of user
                                                          content just
                                                          means that
                                                          much more code
                                                          that a
                                                          reviewer has
                                                          to review,
                                                          understand,
                                                          and test. </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">


                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Use all
                                                          of the
                                                          plugins, theme
                                                          unit test and
                                                          requirements
                                                          for the
                                                          backlinks and
                                                          other
                                                          things.†† Do
                                                          the cursory
                                                          views of
                                                          everything
                                                          thatís
                                                          important and
                                                          move em
                                                          through the
                                                          review
                                                          process. </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">That's
                                                          not sufficient
                                                          for the end
                                                          user. Code
                                                          needs to be
                                                          secure.
                                                          Included
                                                          functionality
                                                          needs to work
                                                          properly.I
                                                          contend that
                                                          those
                                                          considerations
                                                          *are*
                                                          important to
                                                          end users.
                                                          Thus,
                                                          everything
                                                          that a Theme
                                                          indicates that
                                                          it does needs
                                                          to be tested
                                                          during the
                                                          review
                                                          process.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The
                                                          single most
                                                          important
                                                          party in this
                                                          consideration
                                                          is not the
                                                          Theme
                                                          developer, or
                                                          the Theme
                                                          reviewers, but
                                                          rather the
                                                          Theme's end
                                                          users.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
                                                          <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          theme-reviewers
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
                                                          <a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
                                                          <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          theme-reviewers
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
                                                          <a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a></span></p>
                                                        </blockquote>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">†</span></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
                                                        <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">_______________________________________________<br>
                                                        theme-reviewers
                                                        mailing list<br>
                                                        <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
                                                        <a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a></span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                          theme-reviewers mailing list<br>
                                          <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
                                          <a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a></p>
                                      </blockquote>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                            theme-reviewers mailing list<br>
                            <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
                            <a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a></p>
                        </blockquote>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">†</p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
            _______________________________________________<br>
            theme-reviewers mailing list<br>
            <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
            <a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a><br>
            <br>
          </blockquote>
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<a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a>
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