[theme-reviewers] Why can't theme authors have a second version of a theme?

Sun Sep 28 22:00:12 UTC 2014

meant *equally to all, not the equally sorry, long weekend!

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:

> *For clarification reasons only.*
>
> Our guideline says:
>
>    - Themes are not to use related Theme names (e.g. WP Theme Name, Theme
>    Name WP, The Theme Name, etc.) in their name.
>
> And going by that you can't, nor can CyberChimps.
>
> Now here's where things get interesting:
>
> While back we had a long discussion about generic names and majority
> agreed that names like Business should not be within above mentioned rule,
> which means if you have a theme called "Business" I can release a theme
> called "Business People", but I cannot do the same for any names that are
> not generic.
>
> I will draw the line here, yes this is something I said whatever at the
> end and warned the rest that one day we will have issues. And what do you
> know that day came!
>
> So, going by that, yes you can release.
>
> Other than being the obvious and unless the guideline applies the equally
> to all, I will not police them.
>
> *I miss the old days where we reviewed themes, learnt from each-other and
> where this was fun guys. My 5 year anniversary is in three months from now.
> Yep that long* :)
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Tina Ach <t4324acharya at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Reference: https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/20784
>>
>>  Now, if you want to keep the name, add a description instead of II and
>>> let's move on.
>>> Otto mentioned "Responsive Grid" or "Responsive Whatever Description"
>>
>>
>> @emil @otto
>> So, to clarify, can I release my new themes with any of these names now:
>> Responsively
>> Responsivity
>> Responsive Grand
>> Responsive Layout
>> Responsive Grid
>>
>> Unless cyberchimp legally trademarks 'Responsive', and since
>> wordpress.org now allows it, I guess I am clear to use these theme names?
>>
>> Just wanted to clarify before I pick any of these names for my new theme.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Tina
>>
>>   It’s important now to respect the group mail and avoid trolling at
>>> this point.
>>>
>>> What we be will be.
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* Tina Ach <t4324acharya at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:46 AM
>>> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
>>> <theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Why can't theme authors have a second
>>> version of a theme?
>>>
>>>
>>>> David Chandra <david at shellcreeper.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> and don't worry if anyone else decide to submit the name "Responsive
>>>> Mobile". I got several other name:
>>>> "Responsive Z", "Responsive XYZ", or maybe "Responsive 101".
>>>>
>>> @david, Let team up together, call ourselves "InternetMonkeys", and
>>> start releasing themes like Responze and Responsivity. Since clearly we are
>>> "allowed" to do that, and we wont be breaking any rules.
>>>
>>> I am sure Trent will again spark a 100 email long discussion, yelling
>>> that our themes be removed from the repository... Lol!!
>>>
>>> Tina :)
>>>
>>> Tina Ach <t4324acharya at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Coming down to the actual naming issue, there is a reason why this
>>>> rule exists. Even if you are the only one allowed to use the name
>>>> "Responsive WHATEVER", I can still come up with a bunch of names that will
>>>> skirt around this rule.
>>>>
>>>> Responsivity
>>>> Responsively
>>>> Responze
>>>> Responsivulous
>>>> Responsorama
>>>> Responsorati
>>>>
>>>> None of these names fringe your "assumed" trademark. Who decides where
>>>> to draw a line here?
>>>>
>>>> Can of worms? Yes, indeed......
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> And just to be clear, NO-ONE, I repeat, NO-ONE is policing your "right
>>>> to name your theme". Name it Responsive-2 , AS LONG AS ITS NOT HOSTED ON
>>>> WORDPRESS.ORG
>>>>
>>>> You have the right and the freedom to name it ANYTHING, but we as a
>>>> community have the right to allow/disallow whats done on wordpress.org
>>>> (+1 to Bryan for mentioning that). And yes, the admins here have been given
>>>> the right to make decisions based on what THEY think is best for the
>>>> community. They listen to the community and make (and often change) rules
>>>> for what goes and what doesnt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apple, Samsung, Microsoft, and dozens of Fortune 500 companies use
>>>>> names and numbers for products. Salesforce's latest development platform is
>>>>> called Salesforce1.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and you cal call it Responsive 2, as long as you host it on your
>>>> own site like all these other companies do... DUH!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually they are absolutely are refusing to allow us to use the name
>>>>> Responsive II. That's how this all got started. They stopped our review and
>>>>> told us we can't use the name.
>>>>
>>>> NO THEY ARENT. They are just asking you that IF you want it hosted on
>>>> wporg, then either remove earlier theme, or rename the new one. You can do
>>>> whatever you want on your own site, just not on wordpress.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Have you realized that you are the only one that does this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And if you read the entire discussion, you will realize that everyone
>>>> who took part has sided with the admins. Only ones opposing them are you,
>>>> Bryan and Brad - the 3 people with vested  interests. No neutral entity has
>>>> sided with your side of the argument.
>>>>
>>>> You can yell the loudest that this is bureaucracy, politics, injustice
>>>> or what not, but it seems you are the only one saying that, and the
>>>> community doesnt believe you.
>>>>
>>>> So stop being a rebel and behaving like a victim
>>>>
>>>> Tina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Bryan, kudos to you for conducting yourself in a dignified and
>>>>> "respectful" manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am afraid I cant say the same about Trent. Call it condescending or
>>>>> disrespectful, your conduct has been shameful. And yes, you have behaved
>>>>> like a whiny lil girl who wont stop screaming till she gets her ice cream.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are all intelligent adults here, so lets not mince words.
>>>>> 'Responsive' is a great keyword that a lot of people search for. You got
>>>>> this *generic* theme name a long time ago (I dont think this name would
>>>>> have been allowed had you released it today).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now before you jump on your bandwagon, let me say this, and I hope you
>>>>> pay attention: I personally think its great for you that you got this
>>>>> generic keyword theme name. We all run businesses at the end of the day,
>>>>> and OPEN SOURCE IS NOT ANTI-COMMERCIAL. We all have to pay bills, and I get
>>>>> that. But please atleast have the dignity to acknowledge that the reason
>>>>> for sticking to the 'responsive' name is A LOT MORE THAN SIMPLE BRANDING
>>>>> ISSUE.
>>>>> It is more profitable for you to keep that name. Dead and simple (And
>>>>> there is no shame in that btw. EARNING MONEY IS GOOD...)
>>>>>
>>>>>  and don't worry if anyone else decide to submit the name "Responsive
>>>>>> Mobile". I got several other name:
>>>>>> "Responsive Z", "Responsive XYZ", or maybe "Responsive 101".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if Cyberchimp can use the name "Responsive X" or "Responsive..." then
>>>>>> anyone should be able to do the same, right?
>>>>>> because theme author/owner can transfer theme to other person/user.
>>>>>> that means there should not be a special case to a company/user.
>>>>>> because a week later(read: arbitrary time) the can decide to sell the
>>>>>> theme and the name to someone else.
>>>>>> (like in Responsive).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> note:
>>>>>> I think this is the "can of worms" otto mention in email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2014 1:10 PM, "David Chandra" <david at shellcreeper.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then, I can take the name "Responsive Mobile", right(?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thank you!
>>>>>>> I'll build the theme today.
>>>>>>> and I'll submit it  maybe tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2014 8:12 AM, "Bryan Hadaway" <bhadaway at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Okay, thank you everyone who participated in debating the issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We'll come up with a new name "Responsive X" - "X" representing a
>>>>>>>> word that doesn't conflict with the current naming scheme.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can consider the issue resolved and closed, at least for our
>>>>>>>> specific ticket.
>>>>>>>>
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