[theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home

Srikanth Koneru tskk79 at gmail.com
Thu Oct 16 20:20:55 UTC 2014

TGMPA is allowed now

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:46 AM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>

> Since I seem to have broken it, I've uploaded a "static" version of the
> stats we typically display on Redux.
> http://reduxframework.com/staticstats/  That's what we do with the data
> we gather. As I said before developers can append their "hash" to get a
> drill-down view of this data.
> Otto:
> Thank you for chiming in.
> While I may agree partially with your statement about themes I fear
> developers do more than WordPress originally designed it to do. That goes
> beyond a design or a blog, and so you find more powerful themes.
> Our theme framework is in no-way a theme framework. It is only an option
> framework. We provide a powerful interface to the settings API and that's
> it. We don't provide templates or anything of the like.
> Truly Redux is to be run as a plugin, but I do believe TGM is not
> permitted in WordPress.org themes, am I correct? If that was changed, then
> there is a very easy solution! But I fear we won't get to that today.
> We justify because we do not hide. We're completely wide open and the
> users have full choice and untraceable to the specific user. That's all it
> boils down to. That and we are a plugin that developers choose to use in
> their theme.
> Theme Developers know about the tracking. We have docs on it. We answer
> any support issues, and we let people view the data. There is no hidden
> agenda here.
> So what do you suggest?
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>> Okay, okay. Let's all calm down a second here.
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Dovy Paukstys <dovy at reduxframework.com>
>>  wrote:
>>> Emil:
>>> Then can I request that Yoast has the same process be given to them? I'm
>>> all for fairness here and I would never do anything that I didn't see
>>> another market player doing.
>> Dovy,
>> Firstly, there's no case where a plugin can't have tracking on an opt-in
>> basis. If the user has the choice, and it defaults to disabled, then it's
>> fine.
>> However, I'm having a very hard time seeing where a theme should be
>> allowed to have *any* tracking of this nature, even if it is on a fully
>> opt-in basis.
>> A theme is supposed to be changing the look of the site. Not adding
>> features. Not adding crazy weird ways to do new things with content. It's a
>> *theme*.
>> Now, from what is being said, this wasn't "opt-in", probably because of a
>> bug. Ignoring that, if a "theme" shouldn't have tracking of user data, then
>> I'm definitely not seeing why a "theme-framework", which to me is like
>> half-a-theme, should have this in any way.
>> Theme authors are responsible for the behavior of their themes, same as
>> plugin authors. But, and this is the important point here, you're not the
>> theme author in this case. You're putting tracking code into a piece of
>> code for other people to integrate into their theme, and then tracking
>> those users a further level down. I can't see that as acceptable on any
>> level, opt-in or not.
>> Honestly, I've been against "frameworks" of all stripes being allowed in
>> the repository for quite a while. This seems to cement it even further, to
>> me. How can a *framework* justify tracking user data like this? If we're
>> going to have to police frameworks at this level, then my vote is going to
>> come down to "no frameworks period".
>> In other words, yes, this seems pretty damn bad to me. Anonymous or not,
>> if users are having their data sent elsewhere and even the person who wrote
>> their theme may not know about it, then that is a real big problem, as I
>> see it.
>> -Otto
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