[theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home

Thu Oct 16 19:50:56 UTC 2014

@Afzaal: We DO ask the user for consent. That's the thing. There was a
mistake in the code and it's been resolved.

There's a window that says "would you allow us to track anonymous data".

Truly, I am confused why you didn't see me say that above.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) <
wordpress at thinkupthemes.com> wrote:

> My concern is that you’re tacking without consent. Given that, even if you
> asked the user the question we would have removed the option (and tracking).
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> *From:* theme-reviewers [mailto:
> theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] *On Behalf Of *Dovy Paukstys
> *Sent:* 16 October 2014 20:44
> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Redux framework may be dialing home
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> @Tammie Lister Indeed. We want to be completely transparent.
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> We do opt-in tracking to discover any issues we may have with various
> plugins and setup as we're integrated to themes and plugins. That is open
> and wide for anyone to see. We do this because we don't want people to
> think we're "stealing" anything that pinpoints them, and also lets users
> see what they're up against when developing.
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> The sites are completely anonymous. There's no way for us to track it to
> any individual site at all.
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> We took direction for our tracking class from the quite widely
> used WordPress SEO by Yoast plugin.
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> The class does the following:
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>    - Checks once a week and submits to our tracking service using a
>    unique one-way hash.
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> That's it. Then we compare our user base vs what we're coding about. When
> we see a user post about an inconsistency with a theme or plugin, we
> inspect more heavily if there is more widely used.
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> If users wish, they can also load their own "hash" in their theme to see a
> drill-down of their theme's data. All that does is add an extra developer
> key, and allow us to filter the results.
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> @Srikanth Koneru We did not update to WordPress.com since I didn't think
> WordPress.com allows frameworks and we do not have access. If WP.com DOES
> allow Redux, then man I need to redo my WordPress.com themes I am building!
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> @Emil Uzelac Would you prefer us to not visibly show the tracking data?
> We use it show statistics and most used plugins that utilize Redux.
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> @Afzaal (ThinkUpThemes) Is the concern that we're tracking the issue or
> that we're showing it publicly? This is COMPLETELY anonymous. If it's a
> concern, we can remove that site instantly. We'll just put it behind our
> developer's login wall instead.
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> @everyone Again all, we are completely transparent here and we're not
> doing anything different than one of the most successful plugins on
> WordPress.org does, except that we're showing the data to be transparent.
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> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Tammie Lister <karmatosed at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> So Dovy, can you explain this also:
> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1
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> Thanks,
> Tammie
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> On 16/10/2014 20:28, Dovy Paukstys wrote:
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> @Otto + Others:
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> Lead developer of Redux Framework here.
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> In regards to Redux Framework, there was indeed an error in our code
> causing some instances to dial-back even when set to opt-out. This was not
> our intent or desire to "dial-home". It was a mistake in coding between JS
> and PHP.
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> A patch has been made and new version of Redux has been deployed to WP.com
> and our repository. Everything should now fit well within your requirements.
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> Redux aims to always follow the guidelines. If you find any issue in the
> future, do not hesitate to contact me directly at dovy at reduxframework.com.
> I am now also on this list and will watch for any issues that may come up.
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> In our next newsletter I will also urge developers to update to the newest
> version of Redux especially for WP.com themes.
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> Thank you.
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> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Towfiq I. <tislam100 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Before suspending, I request you to warn the developers about this in the
> review ticket. Many of the developers doesn't even know about this. One of
> my themes uses redux and I noticed the tracking.php file while developing
> and removed it. Maybe they should have a chance to do that too.
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> Just my two cents
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> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
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> I'll see if I can find them all in trac.
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> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
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> The hell?
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> The answer is a very clear cut no, you can't do that. If any themes in the
> directory currently have this, they should be immediately suspended.
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> -Otto
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> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
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> Not to mention that what they done here, well sucks:
> http://jsbin.com/ugELElU/1. Redux is revealing more than they should!
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