[theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?

Chip Bennett chip at chipbennett.net
Sat Jul 5 21:45:26 UTC 2014 

Activate 2012/2013/2014 on a clean install, no Plugins, no configuration
changes. Try the instructions I and Otto have posted, for correct,
core-defined configuration for a static front page. If it doesn't work, the
next beer's on me.


On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <philip at frumph.net>
wrote:

>   And you do not read responses apparently.
>
> I’m going to stop replying to this because frankly, you have no idea
> beyond what you’ve read and never actually utilized it with real world
> applications.
>
>
>
>  *From:* Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:33 PM
> *To:* [theme-reviewers] <theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?
>
>
> Sorry, but you're simply wrong. You don't need to do any of that.
>
> I've given all of the necessary steps, several times:
>
> 1. Create 2 static pages, A and B
> 2. Settings -> Reading -> Front page displays = "a static page"
> 3. Settings -> Reading -> Front page = "Page A"
> 4. Settings -> Reading -> Posts page = "Page B"
>
> That's it. All done. No FTP or other FUD required.
> On Jul 5, 2014 5:01 PM, "Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)" <philip at frumph.net>
> wrote:
>
>>   This is the tech support conversations to enable someone to have a
>> blog on a separate page, comparison.
>>
>> Scenario 1 (your considered “proper” way)
>>
>> 1.  First, FTP into your site.  Yes, FTP; you can watch some youtube
>> video’s on learning how to ftp.  Contact your hosting to get your info
>> properly.
>>
>> 2. Navigate to the wp-content/themes/yourthemename/ and copy the
>> index.php and name is front-page.php .. yes, copy.. yes, you need to first
>> move the index.php file to your local drive then .. you don’t know how to
>> do that? okay let me explain ... ( 5 mins later )
>>
>> 3. Okay now that you have that, you can go to settings –> reading and
>> enable the posts page to be a page you created, .. okay yeah so create a
>> page yes, a page .. you’ll need to create 2 pages, call one “Home” and the
>> other “Blog” (or) “posts page”
>>
>> 4. Okay you did that? fine, set those in the settings –> reading, choose
>> which pages you want to display where.
>>
>> 5. Cool beans, you’re done.  What?  That plugin you paid $50 for is
>> displaying on the posts page too?  .. I’m sorry you’re going to have to
>> take that up with that plugin maker.   Oh, that one too?  damn people don’t
>> know how to program.
>>
>> 6. I realize that it’s pretty complicated, but that’s the way the theme
>> review team wants to have it done, I apologize profusely.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>> Scenario 2:
>>
>> 1.  Go to pages –> add new and create a blog page,  in the right column
>> associate the “blog” template to it.
>>
>> 2. Go to the theme settings and disable the blog loop from appearing on
>> the home page.
>>
>> 3. You’re welcome!
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>> Yeah, rather stick with my method.
>>
>>  *From:* Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2014 1:20 PM
>> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
>> <theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?
>>
>>  Okay, that's not a theme template, that is a Custom Page Template with
>> a custom loop, and no, that sort of thing should not be allowed in any
>> theme in the WordPress.org theme directory. In short, that is an incorrect
>> way to show the main blog posts on a page.
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with making Custom Page Templates to show special
>> things, but the "main blog" is not a "special thing"... and it is correctly
>> handled by the core Template Hierarchy. The home.php file should be what
>> you use to display the blog posts, and you should not have a custom query
>> in it like that.
>>
>> The reason that is wrong is because it doesn't correctly support the core
>> functionality for setting a Page to appear on the front-page, and for the
>> blog posts to appear on a sub-page. With this implementation, somebody has
>> to make a Page and also set it to be using this Page Template, and then
>> also set the Settings->Reading settings incorrectly as well.
>>
>> See, if you have the Settings->Reading settings set correctly, with both
>> the Front and Posts pages set to some values, then it is not possible for
>> the Page to use your custom Page Template. So your "blog.php" here will not
>> get used unless you also instruct the user to set up the site incorrectly
>> (aka, incompletely). The correct way is to use the home.php to do a normal
>> Blog loop, and then that will be used no matter where the blog posts are
>> displayed, as long as the site is set up correctly.
>>
>> -Otto
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <
>> philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>
>>>   it’s a template that themes have that do the blog loop that can be
>>> associated to a page, either custom for specific categories are all
>>>
>>>  “there’s no way to display it using any other template file”
>>>
>>> This is what I use, works fine:
>>>
>>> <?php
>>> /*
>>> Template Name: Blog
>>> */
>>> get_header();
>>>
>>> $paged = (get_query_var('paged')) ? get_query_var('paged') : 1;
>>>
>>> $blog_query = array(
>>>         'paged' => $paged,
>>>         'post_type' => 'post',
>>>         'in_the_loop' => true,
>>>         'posts_per_page' => comicpress_themeinfo('home_post_count')
>>>         );
>>>
>>> $wp_query = new WP_Query(); $wp_query->query($blog_query);
>>> if (have_posts()) {
>>>     while (have_posts()) : the_post();
>>>         $withcomment = 0;
>>>         get_template_part('content', get_post_format());
>>>     endwhile;
>>>     comicpress_pagination();
>>> }
>>>
>>> wp_reset_query();
>>>
>>> get_footer();
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2014 11:00 AM
>>>  *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
>>> <theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Is Blog.php is allowed in theme?
>>>
>>>    On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <
>>> philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   The blog template is the point I was making in the first place,
>>>> where if you do *not* want the is_home or is_front_page events to execute,
>>>> that is the only way to bypass that; which makes having a blog.php useful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, I mean, there is nothing in the code that I can find for "blog.php"
>>> at all. It's not mentioned in the Template Hierarchy, there's nothing in
>>> the template.php core file that mentions it. So, what exactly is this
>>> "blog.php" to which you refer?
>>>
>>> As far as I know, if you're displaying the results of the main posts
>>> query, then you're doing it on front-page.php, home.php, or index.php.
>>> There's no way to display it using any other template file.
>>>
>>> -Otto
>>>
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