[theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit From a'Top Reviewer of the Month'.

Wed Jan 29 23:10:08 UTC 2014

Trent,

Let me preface this by saying: I *love* commercial WordPress Theme/Plugin
shops and developers. I think the growing commercial marketplace is
fantastic. I want to do everything that I can to encourage and support
commercial developers - including in my role with the Theme Review Team,
provided that such encouragement/support can be provided fairly and without
any preferential treatment.

Now, having said that: the WordPress.org, the Theme Review Team, and the
WPTRT admins are not beholden to your business model, or to anyone else's.
We had nothing to do with your decision to purchase Responsive, and we are
not responsible for its commercial success or failure.  Personally, I want
you to succeed with Responsive, and I think that the whole story of
Responsive's life cycle has been awesome. But we're not responsible for it
- not in the past, and not now. We don't make your business decisions for
you. We are not asking you to put your employees' livelihoods at stake.

Full disclosure: the entire admin team discussed and agreed upon the Themes
to cycle out originally, as we started the incentive program. I could pull
up the email thread from November where we discussed it, but really: is it
that important? I don't remember who made the suggestion, but I do remember
that Emil recused himself from that part of the discussion, in order to
avoid a conflict of interest. I don't remember who proposed Responsive. If
it helps move things past that point in time, just assume that I did. We
chose Responsive because it was one of - if not the - longest-tenured
Themes in the Featured list. No more, no less.

In no way have I ignored the impact of the Featured Themes list. In fact,
read my first few emails in this very discussion thread. But if a Featured
Themes list exists at all, and if the Theme Review Team is to have input
into that list at all, the review incentive program is the most fair,
meritocratic way to have that input. And reviewing Themes is hard, and
takes a considerable commitment of time and effort. Why shouldn't reviewers
get just a bit of benefit, by having some input in what Themes are listed
as Featured?

There are a lot of great ideas for how the Theme directory (and its
WP-Admin integration) can be improved. Almost all of those ideas are
outside of the control of the Theme Review Team. We can only work with what
we have. I'm all for implementation of great ideas, but it can't be at the
expense of doing the best with what we have. And you accuse the admins of
not having enough resources to manage the current system, so how would
trying to conduct monthly polls ever work? The admin workload would not be
lessened by the elimination of the review incentive program. (We still have
to audit approved themes before pushing them live.)

As for the system being gamed: per the linked Report, if the contest ended
this second, the three January winners would all be individual reviewers.
If the system is being gamed, it's not being gamed effectively.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com>wrote:

> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>
> Can we please try to keep this conversation at a respectful level?
>
>
> I would have loved to have had a respectful conversation about this months
> ago when we first brought these issues to your attention.
>
> > If it isn't a matter of resources, then why hasn't the contest been
> maintained in nearly 3 months?
>
> Simply untrue. We made a conscious decision to do two, six-week rotations
> during the Holidays. No apologies. We are volunteers, and want to spend
> time with our families, especially during that time.
>
> And in January, the winners were announced two weeks late. They happened
> to be the same winners from the previous cycle, so nobody was
> short-changed. New winners will be announced over the weekend.
>
>
> In other words, you don't have the time and resources required to conduct
> and police a monthly review contest.
>
> We use to be volunteers ourselves until we were told we have to pay our
> employees to contribute now to be considered to be featured.
>
> I know what this review team has been through in the past few years
> because we've been a part of it. I love the fact reviews are being done in
> a timely manor now, but I don't love that the cost of doing so is forcing
> us to compete for reviews instead of building and maintaining better themes.
>
> > ...I was told to pay my employees to start doing theme reviews to win a
> contest...
>
> No. Actually, what you were told was that no Theme is *entitled* to be
> listed as a Featured Theme, but that commercial Theme shops were welcome to
> participate in the review incentive program, and select one of their own
> Themes should they win. Honestly, this gives commercial Theme shops a huge
> advantage over individual reviewers, because you have the *opportunity* to
> invest in your employee labor to conduct reviews. And should you not choose
> to do so, that's perfectly fine as well. Either way: no Theme is *entitled*
> to be listed as a Featured Theme.
>
>
> *You are asking me play a game with this contest that puts my employees
> livelihoods at stake.*
>
> I thought the fact we were featured before the review contest was unfair,
> and I've been pushing for a fairer system for nearly 2 years now. I even
> bought Responsive because it was featured and there was no criteria for
> getting any other theme featured because I identified and communicated the
> value of being featured to the admins over 2 years ago, and I've been
> arguing that we need a better and more fair system.
>
> Someone made the decision to unfeature Responsive, and did so without even
> notifying us. In fact, the admin who did so is still unwilling to even
> reveal who they are.
>
> CyberChimps has clearly demonstrated the value of being featured, and that
> proper consideration needs to be given to a system that can ultimately
> result in hundreds of thousands of users for themes that are featured.
>
> The fact that the admins refuse to ignore the responsibility associated
> with featuring a theme and exposing it to hundreds of thousands if not
> millions of users is downright irresponsible to me.
>
> No one is talking about entitlement, I'm saying the system before sucked,
> and the new contest is being gamed. Rather then come up with solutions
> we're arguing in circles about entitlement.
>
> I'm not entitled to anything, I'm trying to keep development of Responsive
> going to support the hundreds of thousands of users using it, and I'm
> trying to keep my employees paid to support and maintain it. I personally
> take a micro-salary compared to what I pay my employees, and I'm no where
> near paying myself a reasonable salary for the amount of work I do. So this
> isn't even about personal gain for me, it is simply about being able to
> keep Responsive alive, which I'm trying my best to communicate that the
> recent .org changes have made that exceedingly difficult to nearly
> impossible.
>
> I will not be able to afford to maintain Responsive if I do not get it
> featured again. It is a sad and unfortunate truth for CyberChimps at the
> moment. We are happy for the gift of .org that even gave us this
> opportunity in the first place, but to take it away after we get a million
> downloads so we can no longer support or maintain the theme is completely
> insane to me.
>
> Are we going to punish every theme that becomes popular on .org?
>
> > ...a contest that we can't win because all of the tickets are being
> assigned before my team can get to them...
>
> Demonstrably false. I'm still working through the approval queue, which
> will increase CyberChimps' numbers, but here are the current (rolling)
> contest numbers <https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/report/25>. And here
> are the currently assigned Themes<https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/report/8>
> .
>
>
> How are supposed to use this data to see who's winning?
>
> > ...and feel extorted by this situation as well.
>
> Extorted - how, exactly? I feel like the admins are being bullied to list
> Responsive Theme, when to do so would be, from my perspective, the very
> preferential treatment I'm trying to avoid.
>
>
> I'm not bulling the admins.
>
> Someone decided that the most popular theme on .org no longer needs to be
> featured, and should no longer therefore be listed on WP-Admin > Themes.
>
> The most popular theme on .org lost significant downloads, and revenue to
> the point where we're having to delay paying employees right now and we
> have been forced to delay Responsive 2.0.
>
> I contacted the admins about this situation and tried to have a reasonable
> discussion about why we were unfeatured, and how we can be in consideration
> again and was told to pay my employees to do theme reviews rather then
> maintain the quality of my themes or support.
>
> We are now telling you we can't win because the contest is being gamed.
>
> CyberChimps cannot afford to maintain Responsive if we don't get downloads
> back up, the only way to do that is to get featured again. Thats a problem
> I would love to find a reasonable and fair solution to, because this
> applies to all theme authors who get a theme as popular as Responsive. I
> wish success for every author, and I think we all deserve a fair and
> reasonable system to be considered to have our themes presented to the
> majority of new WordPress users.
>
> Theres plenty of solutions to do this such as introducing a Most Popular
> section in core in WP-Admin > Themes, or conducting a monthly poll of top
> contributors rather then just rewarding the winners of a contest, etc.
>
> There's dozens of things we could try that make far more sense, and
> actually encourage better themes and maintenance of existing themes.
>
> > Apparently having the most popular theme on .org means nothing, and the
> 3 years of contributions my team has provided to .org are also now
> meaningless.
>
> And if there were no incentive program: then what? Responsive still
> wouldn't be listed (it would have been rotated out), and you'd have no
> recourse or input whatsoever.
>
> If there's a more fair way to incentivize Theme Reviewers, and to allow
> for community input into the Featured Themes listing, I'm all ears. It's
> not a perfect system, but overall it's working. We'll continue to make
> changes and to try to improve it.
>
>
> How does a system that rewards reviews instead of the quality and
> popularity of themes make any sense for a featured themes list?
>
> Featuring themes with no track record of maintenance, or quality, or
> popularity doesn't make sense.
>
> We should be rewarding the best designs, the best code quality, and the
> themes that people actually use the most.
>
> Theme quality should be the criteria, not how many reviews you can do in a
> month.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com>wrote:
>
>> If it isn't a matter of resources, then why hasn't the contest been
>> maintained in nearly 3 months?
>>
>> Chip you are absolutely correct I'm upset that Responsive was removed
>> from the featured list, by far the most popular theme on WordPress.org<http://wordpress.org/>,
>> and I was told to pay my employees to start doing theme reviews to win a
>> contest that we can't win because all of the tickets are being assigned
>> before my team can get to them. I'm pretty sure anyone else in my position
>> would be upset, and feel extorted by this situation as well.
>>
>> Apparently having the most popular theme on .org means nothing, and the 3
>> years of contributions my team has provided to .org are also now
>> meaningless.
>>
>> My team was already doing reviews regularly for nearly 3 years now under
>> their own accounts because we were contributing to the community as
>> individuals. We have pooled all of our employees into a single account now
>> to do reviews thanks to the contest, and even so we can't get as many
>> tickets as we would like so we have no chance at winning the contest.
>>
>> In essence, I'm being told I have to pay to have my theme featured now.
>> Which if that's the case, who should I make the check out to?
>>
>> I suppose my final question is:
>>
>> *Are we allowed to bribe the winner of the contest whenever the admins
>> decide to honor it?*
>>
>> Again this seems ridiculous, and unfair to me, but if the admins are
>> going to allow other theme shops to bribe the winners then I will
>> unfortunately have to start doing the same.
>>
>> I will happily double any offers anyone else is receiving if the admins
>> are now allowing bribing.
>>
>> P.S. I can't even believe we're having this conversation. This feels
>> horribly wrong to me.
>>
>>  --Trent Lapinski
>> =============
>> CEO of CyberChimps Inc.
>> http://CyberChimps.com <http://cyberchimps.com/>
>> Twitter @trentlapinski
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>
>> Honestly, it's not a matter of not having enough resources to police the
>> program. The biggest issue right now is obviously inadequate reviews that
>> admins have to spend a great deal of time auditing and reopening. (On
>> average, I have to reopen about 9 out of every 10 approved Themes that I
>> audit.)
>>
>> Part of that is on us; we need to find better ways of providing education
>> and tools needed to conduct reviews. But part of that is on reviewers
>> simply not doing due diligence before resolving Themes as approved.
>>
>> As for the success of the program itself: I disagree that it has not
>> worked. We have increased the rate of overall Theme approval several-fold.
>>
>> Essentially, you want to end the incentive program because Responsive was
>> de-listed from the Featured Themes list? I'm sorry that Responsive being
>> de-listed seemed unfair, but no Theme (other than core Themes) is
>> *entitled* to be listed as "Featured". I never wanted to be involved with
>> Featured Themes selection to begin with. I want to focus on seeing great
>> new Themes reviewed and approved, and getting them into end users' hands.
>> But the WPTRT has been tasked, in part, with helping to manage that list.
>> The only fair way I could see to do so was to come up with a way for all
>> reviewers to have the opportunity to select Themes.
>>
>> As for making the process more inclusive: that will be part of the
>> changes coming next month. But along with increased inclusiveness will come
>> increased accountability.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com>wrote:
>>
>>> How are you guys going to police this when you can't even regularly
>>> honor the contest itself in the first place? The current featured themes
>>> were last updated in November.
>>>
>>> Right now the way the contest is setup, the person or company who pays
>>> the most to do the most reviews wins. That's not a contest. That's not
>>> democracy. That's not open source.
>>>
>>> Please end this contest, it's a failed experiment that isn't fair to
>>> anyone involved. CyberChimps and any other theme shop or single developer
>>> should all have an equal opportunity to be featured. Again, the best themes
>>> should be featured. If that means my themes are never featured again
>>> because others are making better themes then so be it.
>>>
>>> The .org admins clearly don't have the resources, or time to police and
>>> run such a contest, and the overall concept doesn't make sense to begin
>>> with. We all knew this would be gamed, and now we're going to start banning
>>> people for doing what they were encouraged to do by the admins? How does
>>> that make any sense?
>>>
>>> -Trent
>>> CEO CyberChimps Inc.
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well one of those issues we can address immediately: nobody should be
>>> assigning multiple tickets at a time. Assign one ticket at a time, and post
>>> (full) review comments, before moving on to another ticket.
>>>
>>> If it appears that anyone is attempting to game the system by hogging
>>> tickets for new Themes - at the sole discretion of the admins (and Otto,
>>> who isn't exactly known to deal with such things with kid gloves) - we will
>>> handle such gaming appropriately.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> As the owner of a theme shop (CyberChimps) being forced by the .org
>>>> admins to now pay employees to do theme reviews I inherently hate that we
>>>> are being forced win the contest to keep our themes featured.
>>>>
>>>> We use to do theme reviews to contribute to the community but now that
>>>> we're being forced to do them to be able to afford to support our themes it
>>>> feels more like extortion then a community contribution.
>>>>
>>>> Responsive has had over a million downloads, and is the most people
>>>> theme on .org that isn't a default theme. We were featured for some time,
>>>> but were unfeatured without explanation and saw a dramatic decline in
>>>> downloads, and revenue. Now we're stuck maintaining a massive theme that is
>>>> no longer supporting itself, providing support and maintaining a popular
>>>> theme like Responsive isn't cheap. You'd think .org would want to reward
>>>> their most popular theme, instead we're having to delay the release of 2.0,
>>>> and are being forced to rededicate our resources to win the review contest
>>>> so we can get downloads and revenue back up so we can even continue
>>>> development.
>>>>
>>>> We point blank have asked .org admins what we can do to be considered
>>>> for being featured again and there answer was to pay people to win the
>>>> contest every month. A contest that isn't even being maintained monthly,
>>>> that is being gamed by other theme shops.
>>>>
>>>> What was once a community contribution has been turned into a confusing
>>>> nightmare. We can't even get themes to review because other theme shops are
>>>> assigning themselves everything ticket immediately. The system is
>>>> absolutely being gamed, and soon the cost of entry won't even be feasible
>>>> for CyberChimps, so I have no idea how anyone else is going to even have a
>>>> chance.
>>>>
>>>> We should be rewarding the best and most popular themes, not extorting
>>>> theme shops and preventing everyone else from being featured. Theme reviews
>>>> should be a community contribution and have nothing to do with featured
>>>> themes.
>>>>
>>>> -Trent
>>>> CEO CyberChimps Inc.
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not possible for an individual to compete against the might of theme
>>>> shops. They can have 4 guys reviewing 4 themes simultaneously.
>>>> Was this vote admin only vote? don't recall it on the list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Edward Caissie <
>>>> edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was originally out-voted on not allowing "theme shops" have one
>>>>> account for all of their employees to use as I was concerned it would
>>>>> create an "unfair advantage" for them to choose a Featured Theme (and why
>>>>> wouldn't they choose their own?) so there is not much more I can add to
>>>>> this conversation except to say I agree for the most part with Otto's
>>>>> responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Edward Caissie
>>>>> aka Cais.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <
>>>>> philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Could always have the random themes that display be pulled by date
>>>>>> as well, max 1 year since last update sort of thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  *From:* Jose Castaneda <jomcastaneda at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:14 AM
>>>>>> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.<theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take
>>>>>> Benefit From a'Top Reviewer of the Month'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I think the issue that arose was exploiting the system by reviewing
>>>>>> that persons theme regardless of position in the queue of tickets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least that is my take. I received a similar email about two months
>>>>>> back. I never responded, just deleted it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Rohit Tripathi <rohitink at live.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  A Very Good Point raised by Emil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:52:26 -0600
>>>>>> From: emil at uzelac.me
>>>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit
>>>>>> From a 'Top Reviewer of the Month'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I am with Chip here, paying your employee or employ someone
>>>>>> is 100% the same, no difference whatsoever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The moment we said yes to commercial Theme shops to have their
>>>>>> people review tickets under a single username, is the moment we
>>>>>> allowed
>>>>>> this very thing as well. Not sure what is the problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every time one of us mentions Featured Themes, entire* community jumps
>>>>>> on. When we need help, only few of us replies. How come?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2014/01/28/time-for-a-new-team-rep/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> all 3 options can be manipulated unfortunately, admin choice is fine
>>>>>> but a bit more frequently would be nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Konrad Sroka <
>>>>>> konrads at themekraft.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Otto +10000
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not get rid of the featured themes sections like it is now and
>>>>>> have a filter for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "most downloaded" and "best rated"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe add a filter or tag for commercially supported themes, so you
>>>>>> know you can get professional support and stuff like that..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or make a poll on wordpress.org twice a year and the results are the
>>>>>> "featured" themes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers, Konrad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 January 2014 18:25, Rohit Tripathi <rohitink at live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I am not in favour of switching Featured themes to a Random Themes
>>>>>> Section. Because Many themes in the repository are outdated or not fully
>>>>>> compatible with recent versions of WP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 for the Redesign of landing Page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>> From: zulfikarnore at live.com
>>>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:11:33 +0000
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit
>>>>>> From a 'Top Reviewer of the Month'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of the original question asked "has this happened to anyone"
>>>>>> (not the exact words) - the answer is yes, not once not twice but a good
>>>>>> few times. Initial response? I responded with not part of my business
>>>>>> plan/working model! Then followed by "mark as junk" and now that is where
>>>>>> (if any) those emails land and deleted without a first look never mind a
>>>>>> second.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me the incentive scheme and having a theme featured for my hard
>>>>>> work is only a bonus - true benefit is derived from learning code as Otto
>>>>>> said. The real reward out of it all will be when one day I create a theme
>>>>>> from scratch, submit, have it reviewed, approved and made live without a
>>>>>> single issue being raised - now that is (will be) the achievement :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Should we be paid to review themes in order to win and get the
>>>>>> payer's theme featured? Certainly Not!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Should commercial theme shops pay their employees to review for
>>>>>> the same end in mind? Weather they get a theme featured or not they are
>>>>>> going to pay their employee regardless. So that is their prerogative - but
>>>>>> should they hire for the sole purpose of reviewing and getting featured? To
>>>>>> me that is no any difference to 1 above and is a No!, but who is going to
>>>>>> police it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Solution? Switch the "Featured themes" section to a "Random themes"
>>>>>> section and let the system cycle though all and any theme on a given time
>>>>>> period and everyone is a winner. Easier said than done with over 2000
>>>>>> themes I know :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I second and +1 the call for a redesign of the landing page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>> From: christine at bluelimemedia.com
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:02:39 -0800
>>>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit
>>>>>> From a 'Top Reviewer of the Month'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Awesome, I'll see what I can do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Christine Rondeau
>>>>>> <christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > I still think that
>>>>>> > rethinking the theme landing page with a better more visual design
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> > nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wholeheartedly agree. Poke your designer friends. We need a better
>>>>>> design. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Otto
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