[theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit From a'Top Reviewer of the Month'.

Emil Uzelac emil at uzelac.me
Wed Jan 29 20:49:16 UTC 2014 

Merry-go-round, but...

All right, so now you guys don't want the program anymore correct?

If so, are you ready to go back wait 30+ days for your Theme to be
reviewed?

People don't want to help with the program, I can only imagine what
will happen once the program is out.



On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com>wrote:

> How are you guys going to police this when you can't even regularly honor
> the contest itself in the first place? The current featured themes were
> last updated in November.
>
> Right now the way the contest is setup, the person or company who pays the
> most to do the most reviews wins. That's not a contest. That's not
> democracy. That's not open source.
>
> Please end this contest, it's a failed experiment that isn't fair to
> anyone involved. CyberChimps and any other theme shop or single developer
> should all have an equal opportunity to be featured. Again, the best themes
> should be featured. If that means my themes are never featured again
> because others are making better themes then so be it.
>
> The .org admins clearly don't have the resources, or time to police and
> run such a contest, and the overall concept doesn't make sense to begin
> with. We all knew this would be gamed, and now we're going to start banning
> people for doing what they were encouraged to do by the admins? How does
> that make any sense?
>
> -Trent
> CEO CyberChimps Inc.
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>
> Well one of those issues we can address immediately: nobody should be
> assigning multiple tickets at a time. Assign one ticket at a time, and post
> (full) review comments, before moving on to another ticket.
>
> If it appears that anyone is attempting to game the system by hogging
> tickets for new Themes - at the sole discretion of the admins (and Otto,
> who isn't exactly known to deal with such things with kid gloves) - we will
> handle such gaming appropriately.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com>wrote:
>
>> As the owner of a theme shop (CyberChimps) being forced by the .org
>> admins to now pay employees to do theme reviews I inherently hate that we
>> are being forced win the contest to keep our themes featured.
>>
>> We use to do theme reviews to contribute to the community but now that
>> we're being forced to do them to be able to afford to support our themes it
>> feels more like extortion then a community contribution.
>>
>> Responsive has had over a million downloads, and is the most people theme
>> on .org that isn't a default theme. We were featured for some time, but
>> were unfeatured without explanation and saw a dramatic decline in
>> downloads, and revenue. Now we're stuck maintaining a massive theme that is
>> no longer supporting itself, providing support and maintaining a popular
>> theme like Responsive isn't cheap. You'd think .org would want to reward
>> their most popular theme, instead we're having to delay the release of 2.0,
>> and are being forced to rededicate our resources to win the review contest
>> so we can get downloads and revenue back up so we can even continue
>> development.
>>
>> We point blank have asked .org admins what we can do to be considered for
>> being featured again and there answer was to pay people to win the contest
>> every month. A contest that isn't even being maintained monthly, that is
>> being gamed by other theme shops.
>>
>> What was once a community contribution has been turned into a confusing
>> nightmare. We can't even get themes to review because other theme shops are
>> assigning themselves everything ticket immediately. The system is
>> absolutely being gamed, and soon the cost of entry won't even be feasible
>> for CyberChimps, so I have no idea how anyone else is going to even have a
>> chance.
>>
>> We should be rewarding the best and most popular themes, not extorting
>> theme shops and preventing everyone else from being featured. Theme reviews
>> should be a community contribution and have nothing to do with featured
>> themes.
>>
>> -Trent
>> CEO CyberChimps Inc.
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not possible for an individual to compete against the might of theme
>> shops. They can have 4 guys reviewing 4 themes simultaneously.
>> Was this vote admin only vote? don't recall it on the list.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Edward Caissie <edward.caissie at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I was originally out-voted on not allowing "theme shops" have one
>>> account for all of their employees to use as I was concerned it would
>>> create an "unfair advantage" for them to choose a Featured Theme (and why
>>> wouldn't they choose their own?) so there is not much more I can add to
>>> this conversation except to say I agree for the most part with Otto's
>>> responses.
>>>
>>> Edward Caissie
>>> aka Cais.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <
>>> philip at frumph.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Could always have the random themes that display be pulled by date
>>>> as well, max 1 year since last update sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Jose Castaneda <jomcastaneda at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:14 AM
>>>> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.<theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take
>>>> Benefit From a'Top Reviewer of the Month'.
>>>>
>>>>  I think the issue that arose was exploiting the system by reviewing
>>>> that persons theme regardless of position in the queue of tickets.
>>>>
>>>> At least that is my take. I received a similar email about two months
>>>> back. I never responded, just deleted it.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Rohit Tripathi <rohitink at live.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  A Very Good Point raised by Emil.
>>>>
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:52:26 -0600
>>>> From: emil at uzelac.me
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit
>>>> From a 'Top Reviewer of the Month'.
>>>>
>>>>  I am with Chip here, paying your employee or employ someone
>>>> is 100% the same, no difference whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>> The moment we said yes to commercial Theme shops to have their
>>>> people review tickets under a single username, is the moment we allowed
>>>> this very thing as well. Not sure what is the problem?
>>>>
>>>> Every time one of us mentions Featured Themes, entire* community jumps
>>>> on. When we need help, only few of us replies. How come?
>>>>
>>>> http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2014/01/28/time-for-a-new-team-rep/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> all 3 options can be manipulated unfortunately, admin choice is fine
>>>> but a bit more frequently would be nice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Konrad Sroka <konrads at themekraft.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Otto +10000
>>>>
>>>> Why not get rid of the featured themes sections like it is now and have
>>>> a filter for
>>>>
>>>> "most downloaded" and "best rated"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe add a filter or tag for commercially supported themes, so you
>>>> know you can get professional support and stuff like that..
>>>>
>>>> Or make a poll on wordpress.org twice a year and the results are the
>>>> "featured" themes
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Konrad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 January 2014 18:25, Rohit Tripathi <rohitink at live.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I am not in favour of switching Featured themes to a Random Themes
>>>> Section. Because Many themes in the repository are outdated or not fully
>>>> compatible with recent versions of WP.
>>>>
>>>> +1 for the Redesign of landing Page.
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>> From: zulfikarnore at live.com
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:11:33 +0000
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit
>>>> From a 'Top Reviewer of the Month'.
>>>>
>>>> Part of the original question asked "has this happened to anyone" (not
>>>> the exact words) - the answer is yes, not once not twice but a good few
>>>> times. Initial response? I responded with not part of my business
>>>> plan/working model! Then followed by "mark as junk" and now that is where
>>>> (if any) those emails land and deleted without a first look never mind a
>>>> second.
>>>>
>>>> For me the incentive scheme and having a theme featured for my hard
>>>> work is only a bonus - true benefit is derived from learning code as Otto
>>>> said. The real reward out of it all will be when one day I create a theme
>>>> from scratch, submit, have it reviewed, approved and made live without a
>>>> single issue being raised - now that is (will be) the achievement :)
>>>>
>>>> So,
>>>>
>>>> 1) Should we be paid to review themes in order to win and get the
>>>> payer's theme featured? Certainly Not!
>>>>
>>>> 2) Should commercial theme shops pay their employees to review for the
>>>> same end in mind? Weather they get a theme featured or not they are going
>>>> to pay their employee regardless. So that is their prerogative - but should
>>>> they hire for the sole purpose of reviewing and getting featured? To me
>>>> that is no any difference to 1 above and is a No!, but who is going to
>>>> police it?
>>>>
>>>> Solution? Switch the "Featured themes" section to a "Random themes"
>>>> section and let the system cycle though all and any theme on a given time
>>>> period and everyone is a winner. Easier said than done with over 2000
>>>> themes I know :)
>>>>
>>>> I second and +1 the call for a redesign of the landing page.
>>>>
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>> From: christine at bluelimemedia.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:02:39 -0800
>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit
>>>> From a 'Top Reviewer of the Month'.
>>>>
>>>> Awesome, I'll see what I can do.
>>>>
>>>> Christine Rondeau
>>>> Bluelime Media
>>>> www.bluelimemedia.com
>>>> twitter: @bluelimemedia
>>>> skype: bluelimemedia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Christine Rondeau
>>>> <christine at bluelimemedia.com> wrote:
>>>> > I still think that
>>>> > rethinking the theme landing page with a better more visual design
>>>> would be
>>>> > nice.
>>>>
>>>> I wholeheartedly agree. Poke your designer friends. We need a better
>>>> design. :)
>>>>
>>>> -Otto
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