[theme-reviewers] GPL and limiting usage

[Josh Pollock]

@Otto-

You misunderstood my point. Akismet doesn't work without an API key, same
deal with Jetpack. My point was that nowhere is Automattic saying I can't
remove that and redistribute my modified version. In fact I use Slim
Jetpack, which is a great example.

My point was I don't see where Pagelines is saying I can't do the same with
their API key in their pro plugin and redistribute my 'Slim Pagelines' so I
think the Akismet metaphor is irrelevant.


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:

> Huh? Akismet doesn't have any "DRM".
>
> Akismet sends the comment to their servers, where it returns a "spam"
> or "ham" message. The service is the whole point, by evaluating
> comments from many sites, it can be better at determining spam.
>
> Serviceware plugins are specifically allowed. A Facebook plugin must
> necessarily talk to Facebook to do its thing. Same for Twitter or any
> other service-oriented plugin. If the service is doing something of
> substance, then it's obviously okay.
>
> The Akismet plugin is fully GPL. Modify it, use it, even make your own
> akismet-like service if you think you can do a better job of it. A few
> other groups have done exactly that.
>
> -Otto
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > @Daniel Excellent point.
> > Here is Akismet's pricing plans:
> > https://akismet.com/plans/
> >
> > I think CyberChimp's arguments could apply to Akismet. The flaw in the
> > argument is that nothing on that page is preventing you from removing the
> > DRM and redistributing it, or using it with out an API key (sure it
> doesn't
> > do anything, but they made that clear to you) or choosing not to use a
> DRMed
> > piece of software.
> >
> > TL;DR Don't like a DRM, don't use it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Daniel <danielx386 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I know that this is more of a plugin question, but would Akismet fall
> >> under the same matter as far as GPL is concern? Or am I missing
> >> something?
> >> Regards,
> >> Daniel Fenn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Josh Pollock <jpollock412 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Seriously! Unless someone can answer Justin's question what's the
> debate
> >> > about? As far as I can tell I can download Pagelines, remove the DRM
> and
> >> > redistribute it without violating their terms. Sounds GNUy to me.
> >> >
> >> > (and yes I know that when it comes to DRMs there are issues related to
> >> > the
> >> > DMCA, but for that point to be relevant we would have to require GPL3,
> >> > not
> >> > GPL2, which we don't.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Justin Tadlock
> >> > <justin at justintadlock.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry, I haven't seen the evidence of this before.  That's all new to
> >> >> me.
> >> >> There's been a lot of posts.  It should be easy to understand that
> >> >> maybe
> >> >> I've missed something through all of the discussion.  Can you (or
> >> >> anyone)
> >> >> please share where, in their terms or wherever, this information is
> >> >> coming
> >> >> from (the information where you're not allowed to copy, modify, or
> >> >> distribute the code)?
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't need anything more than that.  I don't even care that much
> >> >> about
> >> >> this discussion.  I'm just interested in seeing the answer to my
> >> >> question.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 10/9/2013 6:25 PM, Bryan Hadaway wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> @Justin
> >> >>
> >> >> "If they limit how you can use the code that has been distributed to
> >> >> you,
> >> >> that'd be a problem."
> >> >>
> >> >> That's what they're doing. What is a theme, a theme is code, they're
> >> >> saying you can only use this code x amount of times for x amount of
> >> >> dollars.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's from the horses mouth, what more do you need? I'm happy you're
> >> >> trying to understand, but this has all been covered over and over.
> >> >>
> >> >>
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