[theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin territory?
Justin Tadlock
justin at justintadlock.com
Tue Jul 16 04:33:17 UTC 2013
I've stayed out this discussion because I thought it'd be over with by
now. This particular case seems to be clear-cut plugin territory. I
can't think of a good reason for Analytics codes, Webmaster IDs, and
stuff like that to be in a theme. It doesn't make sense from a
developer or user perspective.
Would I reject a theme for one of these things? Probably not if that
was the only issue, but I'd ask for it to be removed in the next version.
There are other borderline plugin/theme things that would've made for a
better discussion.
On 7/15/2013 4:10 PM, Emil Uzelac wrote:
> Would it be acceptable if this guideline
> <http://make.wordpress.org/themes/guidelines/guidelines-plugin-territory/>
> does not apply to the Themes that are already in repository?
>
> /Plugin Territory Guidelines are required for new Themes, and
> recommended for existing Themes./
>
> If there are no security issues, conflict with the core etc.
>
> Am I asking too much, what do you think?
>
> P.S. Also only few of us are discussing this, are the rest not
> interested, affected, what's up?
>
> Emil
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
> <philip at frumph.net <mailto:philip at frumph.net>> wrote:
>
> Excuse me, Mr. Bennett. As part of the 'community'; there have
> been discussions for and against, yet YOU working OUT of the team
> made the determination as a requirement. You completely ignored
> the make WordPress themes conversation when it was first discussed
> and decided ON YOUR OWN. In an email with other's they were
> still under the impression that it was 'recommended' still up
> until several weeks ago when it came back into topic of conversation.
> While it would be beneficial for you to believe you are in a team,
> your actions have stated otherwise. From the very beginning to now.
> *From:* Chip Bennett <mailto:chip at chipbennett.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 15, 2013 8:27 AM
> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
> <mailto:theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin
> territory?
> For the record: the Theme Review Admins work as a team. There is
> no "leader". It has always been that way, and will continue to be
> that way, unless and until we are told otherwise.
> The community rep is just that: a liaison to communicate with the
> rest of the WordPress community. The community rep doesn't have to
> be one of the Admins (and I think it would be great if a non-admin
> would want to take up that role sometime).
> What we are engaging in at the moment is a *discussion*. As part
> of that discussion, Emil and I are expressing our opinions. It is
> not required that all Admins hold to the same opinion (nor would
> such be a benefit).
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
> <philip at frumph.net <mailto:philip at frumph.net>> wrote:
>
> End users have lived with it so far, there haven't been any
> major complaints or suggestions on the forums to say the
> contrary. I believe you are over emphasizing the severity.
> There are people including myself that do not agree with this
> and you personally are not listening to the community. Which
> makes things difficult because you apparently have no one to
> answer to. Last I checked Emil was lead at the moment and
> you are not. When the community itself or members thereof do
> not like the results that are happening there needs to be
> someone that can be talked with that can mediate the situation
> and make a determination.
> It would behoove you to not be as adamant as you are.
> Consider a compromise then, most of our 'concerns' with the
> myself and others who have had themes on the repo for a
> predominate amount of time would not like to see our end users
> have the headache that it will cause to add an additional
> plugin. Hostings like 1and1 and some others are very limited
> with their memory usage; *so consider making it so that all
> NEW themes as a requirement to not include said plugin
> territory options and things in priority 1 should be a bit
> more lenient in reviewing updates*.
> I am already maxed out in tech support as it is where I do not
> have time nor the inclination to sit here and worry about
> 20,000+ people who are going to be emailing me or adding post
> after post on the forums concerning a new update which
> destroys their site. Currently I already point them to the
> github instead of the repo. I am positive that the repo was
> there for theme's to be able to be stored and able to be a
> helpful tool for the end user and not a hindrance.
> *From:* Chip Bennett <mailto:chip at chipbennett.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 15, 2013 5:12 AM
> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
> <mailto:theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin
> territory?
>
> Those when switching to one theme or another will have
> some things no longer work -- and that is fine. There are
> plenty of ways, avenues and programming that you can take
> to include those features into the theme you switch to.
>
> I disagree with "and that is fine." Most end users aren't
> developers, and won't have the skills or desire to take
> advantage of the "plenty of ways, avenues and programming" to
> add missing functionality to their new Theme.
> The single most important party in this consideration is not
> the Theme developer, or the Theme reviewers, but rather the
> Theme's end users.
>
> The BIGGEST idea about that the don't-worry-about-it
> group's main objective is to make the theme review process
> easier and faster to get through. The biggest thing that
> people get hung up on returning day after day to review
> themes is how time consuming they are to go through. We
> also believe that it's not the theme review team's
> responsibility to control that aspect of allowing a theme
> to have a feature or not, that is up to the core dev's to
> make that determination.
>
> The core team has made it the Theme Review Team's responsibility.
> And I disagree that what you're suggesting would make Theme
> reviews easier. Why would a Theme review be easier if the
> Theme can include any manner of arbitrary functionality?
> Allowing functionality that goes beyond presentation of user
> content just means that much more code that a reviewer has to
> review, understand, and test.
>
> Use all of the plugins, theme unit test and requirements
> for the backlinks and other things. Do the cursory views
> of everything that's important and move em through the
> review process.
>
> That's not sufficient for the end user. Code needs to be
> secure. Included functionality needs to work properly.I
> contend that those considerations *are* important to end
> users. Thus, everything that a Theme indicates that it does
> needs to be tested during the review process.
> The single most important party in this consideration is not
> the Theme developer, or the Theme reviewers, but rather the
> Theme's end users.
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