[theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin territory?

Mon Jul 15 07:39:37 UTC 2013

Well obviously the directory is for the users. However if theme authors
never submitted a free theme, there would be nothing in it. 

Regards,

Harish Chouhan

From: theme-reviewers [mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org]
On Behalf Of Srikanth Koneru
Sent: Mon 15 July 13 01:02 PM
To: Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin territory?

Curious question, Is the theme directory for users or theme authors? I mean
who's interest does it serve first?

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me
<mailto:emil at uzelac.me> > wrote:

In this list author goes before user and if I have to say anything about
that this cannot change. Yes, we should think of them as well, but if author
does not break the core, the Theme or does not cowboy code, please let's
make everyone's life easier and not push plugin territory for just about
everything. I am not going against admin nor taking authors side, please
make a big note of that.

My stand will probably change if WPORG says that this what I am saying is
wrong or no longer accepted. For time being, lets make beautiful Themes and
ease the guidelines just a bit. WordPress is freedom, not prison. :)

On Jul 15, 2013 2:09 AM, "Harish" <me at harishchouhan.com
<mailto:me at harishchouhan.com> > wrote:

I have to agree on this with Emil. Currently the way themes are reviewed is
resulting the end quality of code being better in WordPress repo than many
themes on premium marketplaces. 

But this constant thing about what to have in theme and what not to have is
too limiting. Shortcodes, etc. are no doubt out of the question and plugin
territory, but these small things such as ability to add Google verification
code, GA code, etc. are very helpful for someone new. 

Those who have experience enough will install a plugin for the same anyways.

Regards,

Harish Chouhan

Visit me at -  <http://www.harishchouhan.com/> www.harishchouhan.com 

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<mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org> ] On Behalf Of Emil
Uzelac
Sent: Mon 15 July 13 12:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin territory?

All I can say is that this is a Theme review team, not plugins. Themes in my
personal opinion are just that, Themes, not plugins. In this discussion,
please, let's review Themes and not throw everything into plugin territory.
As always, this is my own opinion. Disagree? Fine and pretty soon you will
be able and ok to submit CSS only. Note that I am not taking any side, only
what I personally think is right. Of course you are more than welcome to
pass or support my own opinion. :) BTW how many of you make a living out of
Themes? Once again, plugins are different discussion list and I don't need
to remind that this is WTRT.

On Jul 15, 2013 12:52 AM, "Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)" <philip at frumph.net
<mailto:philip at frumph.net> > wrote:

There are two sides of the fence on this subject, those who feel that themes
should not include anything that a plugin can do; which is fine.   There's
really nothing wrong with that method of thinking.  The OTHER side, which
includes myself and Emil and a bunch of others do not really think that it's
a necessity to police those particular things.   A theme doesn't have to be
cross compatible in every way except the way that the theme unit looks.  Any
extra feature to a theme is just that, a bonus.   Whether someone switches
theme's constantly makes no difference. 

A HUGE majority of themes that are being used are actually commercial
themes: http://wordpress.org/themes/commercial/

Those when switching to one theme or another will have some things no longer
work - and that is fine.  There are plenty of ways, avenues and programming
that you can take to include those features into the theme you switch to.

The BIGGEST idea about that the don't-worry-about-it group's main objective
is to make the theme review process easier and faster to get through.   The
biggest thing that people get hung up on returning day after day to review
themes is how time consuming they are to go through.   We also believe that
it's not the theme review team's responsibility to control that aspect of
allowing a theme to have a feature or not, that is up to the core dev's to
make that determination.

Use all of the plugins, theme unit test and requirements for the backlinks
and other things.   Do the cursory views of everything that's important and
move em through the review process.  

From: Emil Uzelac <mailto:emil at uzelac.me>  

Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:59 PM

To: Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
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Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin territory?

No worries, it's all good. So here it is, one example: 

http://codex.wordpress.org/Settings_API excluding "Cowboy Coding" 

there should not be any issues with that.

Or even better:

https://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Customization_API

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Azizur Rahman <prodevstudio at gmail.com
<mailto:prodevstudio at gmail.com> > wrote:

If there is no core api for this kind of option/configuration then how does
a developer add those properly? (I am not picking on you Emil so don't take
it personally) 

IMO these options are equivalent to robot.txt which is taken care of in
core.

In my view these are site configuration and theme should stay out of them.
It has nothing to do with presentation.

WPTRT could propose that if a theme is going to provide an interface to set
these value they need to be stores such a way that it can transfer from
theme to theme and even plugins. WPTRT needs provide those guidelines in
where and how these config stored/retrived. so that user/site is not
impacted adversely when switching themes.

I know not everyone will agree to above but it is in the best interest of
the end user. 

Regards,

Azizur 

On Monday, 15 July 2013, Emil Uzelac wrote:

Hi Jason, 

Assuming that we're referring to Theme Options, this should be fine.

As long as this is not hardcoded and properly added :)

Thanks,

Emil 

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Jason Clarke <jgc at jasonclarke.org
<mailto:jgc at jasonclarke.org> > wrote:

Hi Admins, 

Long-time listener, first-time caller here- in reviewing my first theme, I
remembered a recent list discussion on how Analytics-specific fields in
themes are not allowed because they're considered plugin territory.

On a related note, I'm assuming that other similar fields such as "Google
Webmaster Tools ID" and "Alexa ID" are also plugin territory- can the admins
confirm this is the case?

Thank you!

Jason

PS - As a side/related note, it would be super helpful if the list archives
where somehow searchable - that might be one more avenue for newbies like
myself to check before emailing the list (assuming guidelines haven't
changed).

-- 
Jason Clarke
http://jasonclarke.org

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