[theme-reviewers] Thesis WP Theme

Fri Jul 22 12:29:47 UTC 2011

Darren,

You know what I personally would appreciate reading? A post that lays out,
concisely and straight-forward, the meaningful things that WordPress Themes
should address with respect to SEO. Even better, would be a differentiation
between Plugin-territory SEO (rewriting Post Titles, filtering tags,
removing core filters, etc.) and Theme-related SEO. Getting your perspective
on that would probably be quite useful to the readers of this list.

Chip

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Darren Slatten <darrenslatten at gmail.com>wrote:

> Chip,
>
> Thank you for your constructive feedback. I agree that it comes across as a
> rant (which is more or less the de facto tone of the posts on that blog),
> but at the same time, there is an underlying message that I believe is
> aligned with the fundamental purpose of the WPTRT: to protect WordPress
> users from bad themes by promoting good themes. Sure, the WPTRT has specific
> tasks to carry out, but in my opinion, those are the means; the end is a
> better experience for WordPress users.
>
> I strongly believe that Thesis is harming consumers and the WordPress
> community as a whole. Therefore, regarding whether or not a link to my post
> was appropriate for this mailing list, I based my decision on its general
> relevance--not its outward usefulness. Honestly, I expected this group to
> immediately object to anything with my name on it. But those who take the
> time to read it will probably gain a unique perspective that very few
> "premium theme consumers" have the nerve or the knowledge to expose.
>
> The post originally had a more-subtle pro-WP.org message--perhaps
> overshadowed by the anti-Thesis shouting--so I've made a few changes, in an
> attempt to even it out. I linked to the Theme Review guidelines, the Codex,
> etc. Also, someone left a comment to the effect of:
>
> *"Thesis isn't bad. All themes and plugins generate error notices. Don't
>> blame Thesis for WordPress core's problems."*
>>
>
> Which led to the inevitable "Premium vs. WP.org" comparison. I think I
> handled it well...although, admittedly, in a style this mailing list doesn't
> seem to appreciate. ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>wrote:
>
>> I would even go so far as to say that topics of discussion that are
>> generally useful to Theme developers, especially in the context of Themes
>> intended to be submitted for inclusion in the Theme repository, or general
>> best-practices for publicly released Themes would be appropriate for this
>> mail-list.
>>
>> But in this case, I would agree with Emil, Doug, Justin, and Cais.
>>
>> Now, if you'd taken the approach of, "this is an example crappy
>> implementation of Feature X; however, here's an example of the proper way to
>> implement Feature X", or, "hey, look at all of the noise this Theme
>> generates with WP_DEBUG; but here's how to fix it", those would be far more
>> useful.
>>
>> As it is, though, the linked post mostly reads like an anti-Thesis rant,
>> which has dubious usefulness for the stated purpose of this mail-list.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>  On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Edward Caissie <
>> edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This mailing list is for the use of theme authors and reviewers for the
>>> discussion of themes submitted to the WordPress Extend repository; and other
>>> directly related items and instances.
>>>
>>> This list is not to be used as a traffic driver to items not related to
>>> the above.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cais.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Darren Slatten <darrenslatten at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you're not interested, don't read it. Simple as that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but WPTRT doesn't review Thesis, nor is it hosted on the .Org.
>>>>>
>>>>> -1, Off-topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Darren Slatten <
>>>>> darrenslatten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Emil,
>>>>> > That wasn't shameless self-promotion. The post addresses real issues
>>>>> with a
>>>>> > well-known commercial theme, and I think at least a few people on
>>>>> this list
>>>>> > will find it very interesting.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Jul 21, 2011, at 6:03 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at themeid.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Darren, please do not abuse the list any longer!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Jul 21, 2011 5:07 AM, "Darren Slatten" <darrenslatten at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If anyone is interested...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I wrote a guest blog post about the Thesis "premium" WP Theme.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > How DIYThemes.com Uses Bullshit SEO to Sell Bullshit WordPress Themes
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Darren Slatten
>>>>> >
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -Doug
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