[wp-hackers] pre_get_posts problem

Lox lox.dev at knc.nc
Sun Jul 25 22:57:58 UTC 2010

+1 for a Best practices wp guide.

Le 26 juil. 2010 02:20, "Mike Schinkel" <mikeschinkel at newclarity.net> a
écrit :
> Dion,
> Thanks for answering.
> On Jul 24, 2010, at 4:32 AM, Dion Hulse (dd32) wrote:
>> One of the problems I feel, is that those who understand some of these
problems, are not the ones being asked to achieve the goal, And if they are,
they don't realise that other people may need to do the same thing
> Suggestions on how to solve that maybe?
>> At the same time, Comes times where you attempt something that no-one
else has, and there simply isnt a filter for it.. Its going to happen
> True, but pioneers are always those with arrows in their back, and that's
unavoidable. OTOH, it would help immensely if the cases well-known among
those in the know could be better known.
>> But with understanding comes blindness,
> Very much agreed.
>> I for example, would never even dream someone would use pre_get_posts to
modify the front-end query, it screams of someone who doesnt have the
foggiest of ideas on how the WordPress Query classes work; So its not
something I would personally ever needed explaining, Unless it was asked of
me, or i saw it being used incorrectly
> Maybe that's a small part of the answer; encourage people who write about
code solutions to tag them with something like "wpcodereview", them, and
then have them aggregate into one RSS feed? Then the people who know could
just monitor that feed and comment when they see things done wrong and/or
write their own blog posts or update the codex when they get inspired to
write because they identify a frequent anti-pattern or a particularly
egregious error? I find that its just a lot easier for most people to be
reactive than proactive so maybe something like this could work?
>> (And i often comment on a select few blogs I'm following for that reason,
For example, This comment here:
http://wpengineer.com/small-tips-using-wordpress-and-jquery/ - If anyone
writes a blog with code excepts related to WordPress often, email me
privately with the RSS feed and i'll post comments if I notice anything btw)
>> There is near nothing written on the Plugin/Theme upgraders for example,
Ask me, and I can probably answer the query however; But I wouldn't know
where to start writing for example, I wouldn't have a scenario which would
require writing a howto on it.
> Awesome. After my current projects are cleared I plan to upgrade my blog
and start writing again on all the things I've learned about WordPress,
especially those things where I was able to find nothing written. I'll let
you know.
>> Mark has recently put a form up for people to ask him questions, each
week he's been giving a answer to a select few questions:
http://markjaquith.wordpress.com/ask-wordpress/ &
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/ask-wordpress/ for the previous answers. That
sort of thing is a great start IMO, And I'll do the same one day when I have
the time for it.
> It's a start. :)
>> In the meantime, Developers shouldn't always trust code they find online,
Sure, It says it achieves #1, but in actual fact, It does that whilst
breaking #2, #3, and #4.. Always triple check what the codes hooking
> Agreed. The big problem is how does the average WP coder ever know about
#2, #3 and #4 (until after the problem surfaces?)
>> I know i shouldn't have to say that, but there are far too many
Copy-Pasters in the WordPress community as a whole, Many may be able to do
it themselves, but trust that 3rd party code was tested correctly,
> People copy & paste because it enables them to do things they couldn't do
otherwise and that they have no way of achieving it on their own. They
people don't understand the right way and never will (and I'm not being
pejorative; most people using WordPress have expertise outside of WordPress
and that's where the spend their time. Not everyone can or even wants to be
a WordPress coding guru.) So the more we as the community can present best
practices the better.
>> News for you, Often it isnt, and is written by a developer with less
knowledge than you!
> Well, not news for me. :) But agreed!
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