[wp-hackers] URL | URI ... not all mammals are dogs.

Bernard D. Tremblay (ben) bernard.d.tremblay at gmail.com
Tue Jul 20 23:22:59 UTC 2010

Hi -

A while back I created a sub-directory to host a sub-domain. And then 
another and another til my dir structure was a mess.
Then it dawned on me that I could tuck those sub-dom's in sub-dirs.
And then *whack* ohhhh right, dear WP might not be too happy moving.
HeyHo, my bad.

Well ... stopped dead by a matter of technical precision and rigour.
All URLs are a URI, ayep, a special and specific type.
Not all URIs are URLs.

see my (frustrated to the limit of my patience) explication on Discussion

Ouch! It's my bad, my mistake, I shouldn't have to do this, but ouch! I 
want clarity here, not ambiguity. You tell me where to go in Admin, I'm 
there. You tell me to change the two URIs, I'm with you. But when what I 
find is two URLs, I'm wondering what's going on. And I don't want to 
wonder. I want clarity. And yes, there's a good chance that because 
you're expert and could do this in your sleep you see me as showing how 
stupid and inept I am. But I'm not expert. If I could do this in my 
sleep I wouldn't be sitting here keyboarding in Codex after coming to 
Codex for detailed instructions. see 
http://bentrem.sycks.net/images/wp-move.jpg ... I see two URLs. Is that 
what you mean? You went to the trouble of being precise: URI is what you 
wrote. Please correct / clarify / update, whatever. In the meantime, I'm 
screwed and I stay screwed. */*OUCH*/!* --bentrem </User:Bentrem> 19:30, 
20 July 2010 (UTC)

    I had someone on Twitter question my contra-distinction
    <http://twitter.com/bertil_hatt/status/19024534406> [1], someone who
    knows his craft. Off the cuff I would have said "If you want URL
    then you'll get something like http://bla-yada or ftp://yada-blah;
    if it looks like a directory then it's URI, not URL. But heh URL is
    a URI too! But not all URIs are URLs. Not all dogs are fine handsome
    English Springer Spaniels
    <http://www.flickr.com/photos/bentrem/2952005281/>[2]." Instead I
    looked, found, and quoted TimBL
    So: if WP3 just wants the URL, then happy happy happy I don't have
    to change a thing all I need do is re-direct that domain, move the
    files, and I'm off to the races. And if it requires the URI then
    fine I will scrupulously enter the correct URI, pointing to the new
    directory in the new directory (which is being mapped to that URL)
    and then move the files.
    Either way. But don't please don't state the requirement
    ambiguously. If it's URL you want, please say so. If any old
    (correct) URI will do then fine, I'll leave it as
    http://my.domain.com ... right now I'm not sure that's ok.
    And yes, from my reading, if I move the files and make a mistake
    /that *will corrupt the database*/.
    So it matters to me. (It's already a dog's breakfast because import
    from Livejournal failed in mode X and import from Blogger.com failed
    in mode Y, the consequences of which I gave up trying to correct.)
    --bentrem </User:Bentrem> 23:10, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

[1] http://twitter.com/bertil_hatt/status/19024534406
[2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/bentrem/2952005281/
[3] http://twitter.com/bentrem/status/19028507460

If http://gnodal.protension.com/journal/ points to 
/user/bntrm/protension.com/gnodal.protension/journal then the files in 
that directory will be served.
But I'm not sure moving WP will work. The URL (strictly, strictly, 
strictly) the URL will remain the same. The URI will not.
It might work. It might not.
Because the terms (acronyms) seem to have been confounded (most folk 
take them as synonymous ... as though all mammals are dogs) I don't know.
I don't like not knowing.

I like "Ben, your initial decision was sub-optimal. Consequently you 
need to fire up PHPmyADMIN and get to work." That I can work with ... 
hammer & tongs ... nuts & botls ... brass-tacks ... another day in the 
But I can't get to work.
I'm stopped dead.
Because I don't know.
And that doesn't make me happy.


p.s. yes yes yes because you're an expert this is all perfectly clear to 
you. so because I'm not an expert I'm an idiot who deserves to be 
sitting here pounding my bloody face into the sharp corner of my desk? 
because the docs aren't clear? because 1 says URI and the other URL so I 
trust neither? Gee, NORAD/SAC liked my work when I pulled their 
microwave network out of the ditch. And that avionics R&D company was 
happy with the way I rescued their MIL-SPEC documentation effort. can 
you see how I resent being made to feel sub-human because I'm having to 
deal with this particular social group? freakin' years of this ... I'm 
//really really really// sorry I don't come up to your refractory social 
standards. *NOT!* "Thank you for flying Air WordPress". (CamelCase, of 
course ... ThereIsNoOther.)

If you look to see how the system works
Likely you will find that it doesn't.

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