<div dir="ltr">I've read all of those replies. I disagree in principle with circumventing the Template Hierarchy because Plugin developers don't know how to read the Codex to understand what the is_home() conditional is used for.<div>
<br></div><div><a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/is_home">is_home()</a> = returns true when the current context is the blog posts index</div><div><a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/is_front_page">is_front_page()</a> = returns true when the current context is the site front page</div>
<div><br></div><div>The is_home() query conditional has absolutely nothing to do with the site front page context. Using is_home() to display something only intended to display on the site front page is therefore going to cause problems. The solution is not to circumvent the Template Hierarchy, but rather to <b>use the correct query conditional</b>.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Please re-read my replies that you didn’t read to begin with and you will
note that plugins and other actions and events that occure on the is_home() are
executed as I have said previously and that I have argued that fact that using
the page template is the way to avoid that.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="chip@chipbennett.net" href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">Chip Bennett</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 05, 2014 3:41 PM</div><div><div class="h5">
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<div dir="ltr">I didn't say anything about *Plugins*. I asked if the core
settings, as-defined, work correctly. They do. FULLSTOP.
<div> </div>
<div>Now, that doesn't mean that Plugins are developed correctly. That could
very well be a problem.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>What three Plugins, specifically?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>And, I'll still buy you that beer if I'm wrong here: <b>one or all of those
Plugins incorrectly use(s) is_home() when intending to output something
conditionally only on the site front page</b>.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>There's a lot of confusion between is_home() and is_front_page(). The
solution is not to allow Themes to facilitate poor coding; rather, the solution
is to read the Codex, and submit patches to incorrectly coded Plugins.
;)</div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>It doesn’t work correctly, I have 3 plugins (made by various people) that
are outputting their content onto the blog page.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>One of which is a slider, quite annoying.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>You owe me a beer <img style="BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE:none;BORDER-LEFT-STYLE:none;BORDER-TOP-STYLE:none;BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE:none" alt="Winking smile" src="cid:84FE2859A2C94D0D8EE15C8B5BA87E36@furious"> </div>
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<div>As I said, if you want to have a blog loop that doesn’t have anything to
do with is_home() then the page template is the way to go.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="chip@chipbennett.net" href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">Chip Bennett</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:45 PM</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Activate 2012/2013/2014 on a clean install, no Plugins, no
configuration changes. Try the instructions I and Otto have posted, for
correct, core-defined configuration for a static front page. If it doesn't
work, the next beer's on me.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Philip M. Hofer
(Frumph) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>And you do not read responses apparently. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I’m going to stop replying to this because frankly, you have no idea
beyond what you’ve read and never actually utilized it with real world
applications.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="chip@chipbennett.net" href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">Chip Bennett</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:33 PM</div>
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<p dir="ltr">Sorry, but you're simply wrong. You don't need to do any of
that.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I've given all of the necessary steps, several times:</p>
<p dir="ltr">1. Create 2 static pages, A and B<br>2. Settings -> Reading
-> Front page displays = "a static page"<br>3. Settings -> Reading
-> Front page = "Page A"<br>4. Settings -> Reading -> Posts page =
"Page B"</p>
<p dir="ltr">That's it. All done. No FTP or other FUD required.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 5, 2014 5:01 PM, "Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)"
<<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div>This is the tech support conversations to enable someone to have a
blog on a separate page, comparison.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Scenario 1 (your considered “proper” way)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>1. First, FTP into your site. Yes, FTP; you can watch
some youtube video’s on learning how to ftp. Contact your hosting to
get your info properly.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>2. Navigate to the wp-content/themes/yourthemename/ and copy the
index.php and name is front-page.php .. yes, copy.. yes, you need to first
move the index.php file to your local drive then .. you don’t know how to
do that? okay let me explain ... ( 5 mins later )</div>
<div> </div>
<div>3. Okay now that you have that, you can go to settings –> reading
and enable the posts page to be a page you created, .. okay yeah so create
a page yes, a page .. you’ll need to create 2 pages, call one “Home” and
the other “Blog” (or) “posts page” </div>
<div> </div>
<div>4. Okay you did that? fine, set those in the settings –> reading,
choose which pages you want to display where.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>5. Cool beans, you’re done. What? That plugin you paid
$50 for is displaying on the posts page too? .. I’m sorry you’re
going to have to take that up with that plugin maker. Oh, that
one too? damn people don’t know how to program.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>6. I realize that it’s pretty complicated, but that’s the way the
theme review team wants to have it done, I apologize profusely.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>--------------------------------------------</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Scenario 2:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>1. Go to pages –> add new and create a blog page, in
the right column associate the “blog” template to it. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>2. Go to the theme settings and disable the blog loop from appearing
on the home page.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>3. You’re welcome!</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>---------------------------------</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Yeah, rather stick with my method.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="otto@ottodestruct.com" href="mailto:otto@ottodestruct.com" target="_blank">Otto</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 05, 2014 1:20 PM</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Okay, that's not a theme template, that is a Custom Page
Template with a custom loop, and no, that sort of thing should not be
allowed in any theme in the WordPress.org theme directory. In short, that
is an incorrect way to show the main blog posts on a page.
<div> </div>
<div>There's nothing wrong with making Custom Page Templates to show
special things, but the "main blog" is not a "special thing"... and it is
correctly handled by the core Template Hierarchy. The home.php file should
be what you use to display the blog posts, and you should not have a
custom query in it like that.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The reason that is wrong is because it doesn't correctly support the
core functionality for setting a Page to appear on the front-page, and for
the blog posts to appear on a sub-page. With this implementation, somebody
has to make a Page and also set it to be using this Page Template, and
then also set the Settings->Reading settings incorrectly as well.
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>See, if you have the Settings->Reading settings set correctly,
with both the Front and Posts pages set to some values, then it is not
possible for the Page to use your custom Page Template. So your "blog.php"
here will not get used unless you also instruct the user to set up the
site incorrectly (aka, incompletely). The correct way is to use the
home.php to do a normal Blog loop, and then that will be used no matter
where the blog posts are displayed, as long as the site is set up
correctly.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div> </div>
<div>-Otto</div><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Philip M. Hofer
(Frumph) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
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<div>it’s a template that themes have that do the blog loop that can be
associated to a page, either custom for specific categories are
all</div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">“there’s no way to display it using any
other template file”</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">This is what I use, works
fine:</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><?php</div>
<div>/*</div>
<div>Template Name: Blog</div>
<div>*/</div>
<div>get_header();</div>
<div> </div>
<div>$paged = (get_query_var('paged')) ? get_query_var('paged') :
1;</div>
<div> </div>
<div>$blog_query = array(</div>
<div> 'paged' =>
$paged,</div>
<div> 'post_type' =>
'post',</div>
<div> 'in_the_loop' =>
true,</div>
<div> 'posts_per_page' =>
comicpress_themeinfo('home_post_count')</div>
<div> );</div>
<div> </div>
<div>$wp_query = new WP_Query(); $wp_query->query($blog_query);</div>
<div>if (have_posts()) {</div>
<div> while (have_posts()) : the_post();</div>
<div> $withcomment = 0;</div>
<div>
get_template_part('content', get_post_format());</div>
<div> endwhile;</div>
<div> comicpress_pagination();</div>
<div>}</div>
<div> </div>
<div>wp_reset_query();</div>
<div> </div>
<div>get_footer();</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="otto@ottodestruct.com" href="mailto:otto@ottodestruct.com" target="_blank">Otto</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 05, 2014 11:00 AM</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Philip M. Hofer
(Frumph) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
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<div>The blog template is the point I was making in the first place,
where if you do *not* want the is_home or is_front_page events to
execute, that is the only way to bypass that; which makes having a
blog.php useful.</div>
<div> </div></div></div></div></blockquote>
<div> </div>No, I mean, there is nothing in the code that I can
find for "blog.php" at all. It's not mentioned in the Template
Hierarchy, there's nothing in the template.php core file that mentions
it. So, what exactly is this "blog.php" to which you refer?
<div> </div>
<div>As far as I know, if you're displaying the results of the main
posts query, then you're doing it on front-page.php, home.php, or
index.php. There's no way to display it using any other template
file.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div> </div>
<div>-Otto</div></div>
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