<div dir="ltr">Please set your list settings to receive individual emails, so you don't reply to digests<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:25 PM, bravo keyl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bravokeyl@gmail.com" target="_blank">bravokeyl@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>My opinion:</div>It's not good to fill our pockets by contributing to the community.It's looses the value of "contribution" then.</div>
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Today's Topics:<br>
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1. Re: Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit From a 'Top<br>
Reviewer of the Month'. (esmi at quirm dot net)<br>
2. Re: Theme Review Guidelines (Chip Bennett)<br>
3. Re: Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit From a 'Top<br>
Reviewer of the Month'. (Chip Bennett)<br>
4. Re: Theme Review Guidelines (Ulrich Pogson)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:33:58 +0000<br>
From: esmi at quirm dot net <<a href="mailto:esmi@quirm.net" target="_blank">esmi@quirm.net</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit<br>
From a 'Top Reviewer of the Month'.<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:52E91156.5020000@quirm.net" target="_blank">52E91156.5020000@quirm.net</a>><br>
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on 29/01/2014 14:04 Kharis Sulistiyono said the following:<br>
> I'm WordPress theme reviewer. Someone suddenly tried to make direct<br>
> contact via email this evening. He wanted to take benefit from my<br>
> theme reviewing works. Here is the main idea of the message:<br>
><br>
> "You will just review the <a href="http://wp.org" target="_blank">wp.org</a> themes as you do now, and we will pay<br>
> you for it. But you need to be a top reviewer of the month so you can<br>
> choose our theme to be in the featured section. Is this interesting<br>
> for you? Let us know. Thanks."<br>
<br>
> I want to know whether it is allowed or not.<br>
<br>
I'm not sure this has ever been brought up before but I'd say absolutely<br>
not.<br>
<br>
Had anyone ever had similar experience?<br>
<br>
Not that I know of. I'm actually rather astounded that someone would try<br>
this on.<br>
<br>
> If you were in my position, as professional theme reviewer what will you do?<br>
<br>
Raise it here as you have done but otherwise not respond to it.<br>
<br>
> From my personal point of view, doing something like this is not good.<br>
> It is a crucial issue dealing with maintaining featured themes<br>
> quality. Because it is driven by money rather than objectiveness of<br>
> theme reviewers.<br>
<br>
I couldn't agree more.<br>
<br>
> How WordPress respond this problem? Further more, I'm really curious<br>
> of how WordPress maintain the featured themes stay badass and<br>
> 'healthy'.<br>
<br>
By relying on ethical reviewers like yourself who are more interested in<br>
contributing something of real value to the wider WordPress community as<br>
opposed lining their own pockets.<br>
<br>
The elephant that is now in the room is of course... which theme did<br>
your correspondents want featured? And should any action be taken<br>
against that theme? I'd like to hear what other people have to say about<br>
this before we get around to actually naming names.<br>
<br>
Mel<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:41:43 -0500<br>
From: Chip Bennett <<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>><br>
To: "Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers."<br>
<<a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Theme Review Guidelines<br>
Message-ID:<br>
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The handbook version of the Guidelines are not official. The official<br>
Guidelines are the ones maintained by the Theme Review Team.<br>
<br>
As for things in the "Recommended" list being "Required" depending on the<br>
situation: that's true. But to try to write explicit Guidelines that cover<br>
all situations would result in really, really long and detailed Guidelines.<br>
As I often say: we want to avoid emulating the Code of Federal Regulations.<br>
:)<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Ulrich Pogson <<a href="mailto:grapplerulrich@gmail.com" target="_blank">grapplerulrich@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> Are there any plans to improve and update the theme guidelines?<br>
><br>
> It seems like someone from the docs team created a simplified version. I<br>
> find this a lot easier to browse.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/docs/theme-developer-handbook/releasing-your-theme/theme-review-guidelines/" target="_blank">https://make.wordpress.org/docs/theme-developer-handbook/releasing-your-theme/theme-review-guidelines/</a><br>
><br>
> The recommended page needs the most love as there are stuff there that are<br>
> required too depending on the situation.<br>
> <a href="http://make.wordpress.org/themes/guidelines/guidelines-recommended/" target="_blank">http://make.wordpress.org/themes/guidelines/guidelines-recommended/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 29 January 2014 14:02, Rohit Tripathi <<a href="mailto:rohitink@live.com" target="_blank">rohitink@live.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Yes, that is True. Many Reviews, are based on mostly visual checks. Code<br>
>> is not checked at all.<br>
>><br>
>> Looking forward to the February changes. Really hope that it resolves the<br>
>> problem, i talked about.<br>
>><br>
>> :)<br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:59:36 -0500<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a><br>
>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Theme Review Guidelines<br>
>><br>
>> The latter point will be addressed in the February program changes.<br>
>><br>
>> But as a general note: any Theme that has a generated ticket has already<br>
>> passed the critical/required tests in Theme Check (otherwise, the Theme<br>
>> would fail the upload checks). From that point, Theme Check is only a tool<br>
>> for the reviewer, to help point out areas for further scrutiny. Dumping<br>
>> Theme Check output in review ticket comments is almost always redundant,<br>
>> confusing, and unnecessary.<br>
>><br>
>> Based on most of the "approved" tickets I've been auditing, I suspect<br>
>> that several reviewers are reviewing Themes without ever looking at any of<br>
>> the Themes' code.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Rohit Tripathi <<a href="mailto:rohitink@live.com" target="_blank">rohitink@live.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Yup. I always try to keep up with the Review Guidelines. Also, the Theme<br>
>> Emphasis Points are a Great Help. I would recommened that to everyone, as<br>
>> they will resolve most issues for tickets which are re-opened.<br>
>><br>
>> But, I see many new reviewers are picking up themes in bulk and just<br>
>> running Theme Checks, checking the license and approving theme. This is a<br>
>> bad practice, and seems to look like an attempt to misuse the Review<br>
>> Incentive Feature.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Rohit Tripathi<br>
>> Administrator<br>
>> InkHive.com<br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 20:30:21 -0600<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Theme Review Guidelines<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> No problem thank you :)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Jose Castaneda <<a href="mailto:jomcastaneda@gmail.com" target="_blank">jomcastaneda@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks Emil.<br>
>> If anybody needs a second eye I try to make myself available when I can.<br>
>> I'm sure most others feel the same way.<br>
>><br>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:44:18 -0500<br>
From: Chip Bennett <<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>><br>
To: "Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers."<br>
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Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Question: Someone Want to Take Benefit<br>
From a 'Top Reviewer of the Month'.<br>
Message-ID:<br>
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For the sake of discussion: how is this any different from commercial Theme<br>
shops paying their employees to perform Theme reviews, with the expressed<br>
intent of ensuring that one of the Theme shop's Themes gets listed as<br>
featured?<br>
<br>
In other words: why is it acceptable for commercial Theme shops to engage<br>
in this sort of financial transaction to gain a benefit from WordPress.org,<br>
but not for non-commercial developers?<br>
<br>
I don't have a preference, but I do think we should handle things<br>
consistently.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Otto <<a href="mailto:otto@ottodestruct.com" target="_blank">otto@ottodestruct.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Chip Bennett <<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > IMHO, as long as the relationship is disclosed, there's nothing wrong<br>
> with<br>
> > it.<br>
><br>
> Yeah. I'm not as forgiving as Chip.<br>
><br>
> If you tell me who they are, then I will happily ban them from our<br>
> systems, permanently.<br>
><br>
> Or, if you want to be a bit more subtle about it, you can tell them<br>
> that I said exactly the above and that they should damn well stop it.<br>
><br>
> If there is any financial transaction of any kind to get any seeming<br>
> benefits on WordPress.org, then I will *end* it. Understood? This is<br>
> not a pay-to-win system.<br>
><br>
> -Otto<br>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:50:02 +0100<br>
From: Ulrich Pogson <<a href="mailto:grapplerulrich@gmail.com" target="_blank">grapplerulrich@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: "Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers."<br>
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Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Theme Review Guidelines<br>
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@Chip I realise that it is not official, sorry I forgot to add that.<br>
<br>
So there are no plans to make it a bit easier to view?<br>
<br>
Who is on the Theme Review Team?<br>
<br>
I understand that the guidelines need to be general. Perhaps an example: If<br>
I remember correctly, themes are not allowed to redirect on activation.<br>
This was discussed on the mailing list. I had a look for a mention in<br>
the guidelines but could not find it. I may know about it but then someone<br>
new is not going to know about this.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 29 January 2014 15:41, Chip Bennett <<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> The handbook version of the Guidelines are not official. The official<br>
> Guidelines are the ones maintained by the Theme Review Team.<br>
><br>
> As for things in the "Recommended" list being "Required" depending on the<br>
> situation: that's true. But to try to write explicit Guidelines that cover<br>
> all situations would result in really, really long and detailed Guidelines.<br>
> As I often say: we want to avoid emulating the Code of Federal Regulations.<br>
> :)<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Ulrich Pogson <<a href="mailto:grapplerulrich@gmail.com" target="_blank">grapplerulrich@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Are there any plans to improve and update the theme guidelines?<br>
>><br>
>> It seems like someone from the docs team created a simplified version. I<br>
>> find this a lot easier to browse.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/docs/theme-developer-handbook/releasing-your-theme/theme-review-guidelines/" target="_blank">https://make.wordpress.org/docs/theme-developer-handbook/releasing-your-theme/theme-review-guidelines/</a><br>
>><br>
>> The recommended page needs the most love as there are stuff there that<br>
>> are required too depending on the situation.<br>
>> <a href="http://make.wordpress.org/themes/guidelines/guidelines-recommended/" target="_blank">http://make.wordpress.org/themes/guidelines/guidelines-recommended/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 29 January 2014 14:02, Rohit Tripathi <<a href="mailto:rohitink@live.com" target="_blank">rohitink@live.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Yes, that is True. Many Reviews, are based on mostly visual checks. Code<br>
>>> is not checked at all.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Looking forward to the February changes. Really hope that it resolves<br>
>>> the problem, i talked about.<br>
>>><br>
>>> :)<br>
>>><br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:59:36 -0500<br>
>>> From: <a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> To: <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Theme Review Guidelines<br>
>>><br>
>>> The latter point will be addressed in the February program changes.<br>
>>><br>
>>> But as a general note: any Theme that has a generated ticket has already<br>
>>> passed the critical/required tests in Theme Check (otherwise, the Theme<br>
>>> would fail the upload checks). From that point, Theme Check is only a tool<br>
>>> for the reviewer, to help point out areas for further scrutiny. Dumping<br>
>>> Theme Check output in review ticket comments is almost always redundant,<br>
>>> confusing, and unnecessary.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Based on most of the "approved" tickets I've been auditing, I suspect<br>
>>> that several reviewers are reviewing Themes without ever looking at any of<br>
>>> the Themes' code.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Rohit Tripathi <<a href="mailto:rohitink@live.com" target="_blank">rohitink@live.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yup. I always try to keep up with the Review Guidelines. Also, the Theme<br>
>>> Emphasis Points are a Great Help. I would recommened that to everyone, as<br>
>>> they will resolve most issues for tickets which are re-opened.<br>
>>><br>
>>> But, I see many new reviewers are picking up themes in bulk and just<br>
>>> running Theme Checks, checking the license and approving theme. This is a<br>
>>> bad practice, and seems to look like an attempt to misuse the Review<br>
>>> Incentive Feature.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>> Rohit Tripathi<br>
>>> Administrator<br>
>>> InkHive.com<br>
>>><br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 20:30:21 -0600<br>
>>> From: <a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a><br>
>>> To: <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Theme Review Guidelines<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> No problem thank you :)<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Jose Castaneda <<a href="mailto:jomcastaneda@gmail.com" target="_blank">jomcastaneda@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks Emil.<br>
>>> If anybody needs a second eye I try to make myself available when I can.<br>
>>> I'm sure most others feel the same way.<br>
>>><br>
>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>> theme-reviewers mailing list<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> _______________________________________________ theme-reviewers mailing<br>
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>>><br>
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>>><br>
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