<div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you i appreciate all the review team taking their time to do those. I would be more than happy to chip in and make some reviews myself when i have a better understanding of it - of course if my help is needed.<br>
</div>As for "asking for reviews" i think you should really reconsider your stance on this. It may be against the rules to endorse the user to rate 5* however i see no harm and think it could improve overall experience if developers are allowed to remind the users to rate & review the theme. I mean they are not forced to rate 5* after all, they could as well rate 2* stars for the annoying reminder :D It's up to the user really. As long as the notice doesnt endorse or effect the user to rate positively an honest feedback would always help.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/21 Chip Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">The short answer to that is: Plugins have different Guidelines and review criteria, and are handled by an entirely different team. <div><br></div><div>As for the ticket itself: all reviewers - whether a trainee, a regular reviewer, or an admin - are (or *should* be) willing to discuss any questions that you have. Even if something seems set in stone, feel free to ask. Those discussions are healthy - and sometimes reviewers (even admins) are wrong. We want to encourage those discussions happening between reviewers and developers, as much as possible. It gets tickets approved faster, and helps us become better reviewers.</div>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:52 PM, emin ozlem <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eminozlem@gmail.com" target="_blank">eminozlem@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I perfectly understand what you say. I thought there was nothing to ask in the ticket, since you made it clear it was against to rules. So instead of arguing it with you personally why it's against the rules, i wanted to open up a public discussion as to why it is not allowed and if we can allow it.<br>
</div>I mean why can a plugin openly ask "Rate 5* for this plugin" and the theme can not ? I honestly could care less if they voted 3-4-5 stars, i just need actual user feedback to improve up on. People usually do not tend to do reviews unless they are prompted or "reminded" to do so.<br>
</div>Maybe we can put some limit the usage of it like the limitations on the linkbacks to the author, put some rules on how can it be asked from user. Like do not say "vote me 5 stars", i dont know.For example I had made mine a "one time only" notice intentionally in order not to disturb user, not to mention that it can already be opted-out upon installation.<br>
</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/21 Chip Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">The point is: you should ask the reviewer in the ticket first. Not the mail list or the forums: in the ticket.<div><br></div><div>Review tickets are meant to be a discussion between reviewer and developer, and the process works much more smoothly when that happens. That's why we ask developers to ask questions in the ticket before going elsewhere, and why we ask reviewers to keep tickets open after leaving review comments.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The mail-list *is* a place for general discussion, and everyone is welcome to use it for that. But if a question is directly related to a review comment, the first place that discussion should take place is in the ticket. If an issue or question can't be adequately addressed, then bring an admin into the ticket. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Our goal is to ensure that Themes make it through the approval as expediently as possible. That's why we ask that in-ticket issues be handled in-ticket first. Once the Theme is approved, then by all means: open up general discussion on the mail-list.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As for the forums: that's the worst-possible place to go for Theme Review-related questions. The Theme Review Team members generally don't monitor the forums (unless pinged).</div></div><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, emin ozlem <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eminozlem@gmail.com" target="_blank">eminozlem@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>Firstly, my email to the list was not meant to bypass your review or ask for second opinion behind your back. Like i said, i understand it's against the rules as you said. I just wanted to know how and why it's allowed for plugins and not for themes.<br>
</div>Thanks for the link to the discussion, i thought mail list was something we could make use of when we have questions we could not find answers to. Next time i will ask in forums first.<br></div><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/21 Chip Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">First, in-ticket questions should be handled first *in-ticket*. If you have a question, ask the reviewer, in the ticket. The mail-list should not be used as an end-around to bypass review comments.<div><br>
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<div>Second, please refer to the discussion, here:</div><div><a href="http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2013/11/04/wp-admin-theme-promotion/" target="_blank">http://make.wordpress.org/themes/2013/11/04/wp-admin-theme-promotion/</a><br>
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</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:38 PM, emin ozlem <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eminozlem@gmail.com" target="_blank">eminozlem@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I've added a one-time only message to suggest user to review the theme, and i am told it's against the rules ?<br>
</div>I mean i've seen plenty of plugins asking for 5star reviews, and i havent even done that, i simply wrote "please review, all kind of feedback helps". <br>
<br></div>Is it against the themes guidelines, and if it's, how come it's not for the plugins ?<br></div>
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