<div dir="ltr"><div>><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">There is no more confusion or gray areas here regarding that, so that is not a valid defense in this specific case.<br></span>@Bryan I get that. But the issue is if that is the issue. I 100% get that they are selling limited access to their API key, without which the software doesn't work. My question is can I remove the part of the software that deals with this DRM and redistribute it? I think I can, hence my Slim Jetpack analogy earlier. Please explain to me why I can not and I will agree with you we have a GPL issue here.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Josh Pollock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jpollock412@gmail.com" target="_blank">jpollock412@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">@Trent- Whether or not it's your company's decision to not let this issue die, it is you and Bryan that are not letting it die. End result- *to me* it feels like a CyberChimps effort to get Pagelines out of the theme repo.<div>
<br></div><div>I dislike Otto's point about this being an issue of tricky language, not a violation of the GPL, but I think he's right. I think that sort of thing is a bad business practice and I wouldn't buy from them and I wouldn't do something similar in my own business. But again, that's separate from whether or not my freedom to modify and redistribute their product is infringed.</div>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Trent Lapinski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trent@cyberchimps.com" target="_blank">trent@cyberchimps.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>"@Bryan- Maybe I missed it somewhere in the last few hundred emails, but are there any non-CyberChimps employees on this list who agree with you and @Trent?"</div>
<div><br></div></div><div>Absolutely, many of which have replied to this thread, and the original thread. In fact, we didn't even start this debate someone else did.</div><div><br></div><div>The only reason I personally got involved is because this was brought to me by people outside of CyberChimps who consulted with me and voiced their concerns to me personally because they knew I was well versed in this area.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I've also personally received many e-mails, tweets, and other private communications from various people within the community who share these concerns but are afraid to voice them publicly because they don't want to argue with Otto, or Nacin. I can't blame them, I don't really want to argue with anyone either, this is not a productive use of my time at all.</div>
<div><br></div><div>However, I believe in the GPL, WordPress, and open source software philosophies and will defend them for the greater good of the community even if it means I have to argue with Otto who is someone I have the utmost respect for. I've learned a lot from Otto over the years, and continue to do so, and he's an amazing resource for this community. We potentially disagree on this one issue, but ultimately his ideals and mine are nearly identical.</div>
<div><br></div><div>For me, this is a user rights issue, and I will always side with users who are not well versed on the inner-workings of how theme shops conduct business. When I see something like this I speak up for all of those who can't, thats just who I am, and I'm not going to apologize for it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As for Bryan, does he work for me? Absolutely, I'm not hiding that, but his opinions are his own and he's free to voice them, in fact I encourage it. This is a tough business to be in, and it's even harder when you play by the rules like we do, but we believe it is worth it which is why we've taken on this issue.</div>
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<br><div><div>On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Josh Pollock <<a href="mailto:jpollock412@gmail.com" target="_blank">jpollock412@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">@Bryan- Maybe I missed it somewhere in the last few hundred emails, but are there any non-CyberChimps employees on this list who agree with you and @Trent?</div>
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On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Bryan Hadaway <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bhadaway@gmail.com" target="_blank">bhadaway@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><b>@Josh</b><div><br><br>"I think CyberChimp's arguments could apply to Akismet."<br><br></div></div>This has nothing to do with CyberChimps, this is a list discussion that wasn't even started by us.<br>
<br></div>It was started by <span>Ünsal Korkmaz who I don't know and who has no affiliation with CyberChimps.<br><br></span></div><span>This isn't a CyberChimps vs PageLines issue, it's not even a PageLines issue.<br>
<br></span></div><span>It's an issue about the GPL and WP policy, DMS is just an example that was part of the cause for this new precedent that clearly required discussion. There are a lot of people that see issues here, independently on their own that required no input from us.<br>
<br></span></div><span>Please just look at the facts. I'm not a lawyer, I'm not an official in these matters, that's why I contacted the GNU directly with my questions in order to have a better understanding. You're all free to contact the GNU about this issue too. Please do your research and actually read through the entire discussion if you want to have a better understanding.<br>
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