<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"It's always possible to use GPLed code to write software that implements DRM."</span><br><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">What's the point? The end product - the DRMed software - is the question. What's its license? That sentence refers to the license of the software used to *develop* the DRMed software.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">I don't see how that has anything to do with the discussion at hand. Back to which: I stand by my belief that building a crippleware API into a Plugin renders that Plugin no longer GPL-compliant. Even if I'm proven wrong in that belief, I don't think the WordPress project should have anything to do with a Plugin that so egregiously disrespects end users' software freedoms as to implement what amounts to extortion merely to continue to use software that has already been purchased and distributed.</font></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Josh Pollock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jpollock412@gmail.com" target="_blank">jpollock412@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">@chip- we are talking about DRM, Pagelines has an API key that is necessary to operate the plugin, does it not? That's digital right management.<div>
<br></div><div>The FSF would disagree with you on DRMs and the GPL. "It's always possible to use GPLed code to write software that implements DRM." - <a href="https://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.html#neutralizing-laws-that-prohibit-free-software-but-not-forbidding-drm" target="_blank">https://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.html#neutralizing-laws-that-prohibit-free-software-but-not-forbidding-drm</a></div>
<div>The GPL doesn't prevent you from writing a DRM in your GPL code, it prevents you from restricting the freedom of others to take it out. Big difference. The GPL3 upgrade addressed the freedom to remove DRMs, but did not forbid it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>@Bryan agrees with me that there is nothing saying I can't remove the DRM from Pagelines and redistribute it. So there is no GPL violation I see. Just a business practice people don't like.<br>
</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Chip Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">We're not talking about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management" target="_blank">DRM</a>. I'm not sure how that term even entered the discussion.<div>
<br></div><div>And I disagree with the assertion that "there is nothing in the GPL that prevents DRMs". DRM is copy protection, and prevention of copying/modification/distribution contravenes the terms of the GPL. So, anything that includes DRM is not actually distributed under the terms of the GPL, even if the developer claims that it is.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Josh Pollock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jpollock412@gmail.com" target="_blank">jpollock412@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div><font><span style="line-height:normal;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br>
>>"<i>My question is can I remove the part of the software that deals with this DRM and redistribute it?</i>"<br>
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<font><span style="line-height:normal;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">>Of course you can, but it can't be there in the first place and you shouldn't have to remove it. I think we agree on that.</span></font><div>
<font><span style="line-height:normal"><br></span></font></div></div><div><font><span style="line-height:normal">See, now you're almost getting my point. There is nothing in the GPL that prevents DRMs. I posted a quote from the FSF website earlier stating that clearly.</span></font></div>
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<div><br>On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Bryan Hadaway wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><b>@Josh</b><br>
<br>"<i>it feels like a CyberChimps effort to get Pagelines out of the theme repo</i>"<br><br></div>I'm sorry you feel that way, that's pretty petty. I also don't appreciate my ethics coming into question.<br>
<br></div>You're entitled to your opinion, but I hope people would rather look at the merits of the issues here instead.<br><br></div>I think DMS is a pretty interesting and creative theme actually and if there wasn't anything here that was harmful to users there wouldn't be an issue at all. No one would have ever said anything to begin with.<br>
<br></div>And if it was your theme, my theme or anyone else' theme who's company model was questionable like this, I certainly hope it would be scrutinized just the same.<br><br></div>I don't care if DMS is in the repo, it doesn't effect me or CyberChimps in the least, so long as all these issues are worked out PageLines is welcome to submit themes to the repo like anyone else. Again, these are real issues, not even brought to the table by us and certainly not something we've fabricated.<br>
<br></div><div>Again, this issue has nothing to do with CyberChimps, I wish I didn't work for them because this issue would be no different, I'd be just as invested. I've proven time and time again that I stand up for my convictions. This isn't the first or last time I'll be involved in a heated or controversial debate.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Can we please stick to the issues and not try to turn this into a personal vendetta again.<br></div><div><br>"<i>My question is can I remove the part of the software that deals with this DRM and redistribute it?</i>"<br>
<br></div>Of course you can, but it can't be there in the first place and you shouldn't have to remove it. I think we agree on that.<br></div>
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