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<DIV>Cool, glad you got yours working, still need to figure out mine ;/ since my
implementation isn’t like that. (well the implementation I want to do
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<DIV>Multiple Templates with different post type loops that need
pagination</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=zulfikarnore@live.com
href="mailto:zulfikarnore@live.com">Zulfikar Nore</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:41 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">Theme Reviewers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [theme-reviewers] Feedback on use of query_posts
please-Badidea?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>"<SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">ZGani - take
note here: on the static page assigned to display the blog</SPAN><PRE style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap">posts index, any custom page template assignment is ignored. So, whether or
not you assign a custom template to that page, WordPress is going to use
either home.php or index.php to render that page."</PRE>That is where I was
getting stamped and didn't know why - totally makes sense now with that
explanation. Appreciated :)
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<DIV>Given the way I intended to have the theme and what users have asked for I
think template-featured.php is way to go rather than front-page.php.</DIV>
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<DIV>Once again thanks Chip - I now have an implementation to take forward for
my future themes :)</DIV>
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<DIV>Zulf <BR>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 08:19:55 -0400<BR>From: chip@chipbennett.net<BR>To:
theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org<BR>Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Feedback
on use of query_posts please-Badidea?<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Not really. In the OP, the custom page template was an intended
solution/implementation. The root issue was <I>display of the blog posts index
on a page other than the site front page</I>.</DIV>
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<DIV>The problem is that the intended solution/implementation was incorrect,
thereby causing the pagination problems. Basically, if you're using template
files the way WordPress expects, then WordPress properly handles the $query for
the given context - including pagination.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>Pagination is only an issue if a custom page template is used
to circumvent core WordPress handling of the blog posts index (i.e. a
template-blog.php). If you're using home.php, and have the user properly
configure "front page displays", "front page", and "posts page", then you won't
see any pagination issues.
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The issue arises when using template files other than the way WordPress
expects, such as using a custom page template to display the blog posts index.
In that circumstance - a custom page template - WordPress sees the main $query
as the static-page post, and applies the pagination to the static-page post. Any
secondary query, regardless of how it's added, will have no impact on pagination
- thus requiring a pagination work-around.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But if you rename template-blog.php as home.php, and instruct the user to
configure settings -> reading properly, then WordPress recognizes the static
page assigned as the "posts page" as the blog posts index, uses the home.php
template to render it, recognizes $query as the blog posts index, and applies
pagination properly to the blog posts index.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Philip M. Hofer
(Frumph) <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:philip@frumph.net"
target=_blank>philip@frumph.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>the template is what we were talking about but making pagination work for
it since it’s not a pregenerated loop</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=chip@chipbennett.net
href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target=_blank>Chip Bennett</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:50 AM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>There are multiple options, including conditional statements
inside front-page.php and filtering front_page_template; but don't forget: you
don't *have* to use front-page.php at all.
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<DIV>You can omit it, and package template-featured.php as a custom page
template. That way, the user has the control/option to use the featured
content template on the front page or on a different page, as well as the
control/option to use the featured content template or a default static page
on the site front page.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Philip M. Hofer
(Frumph) <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:philip@frumph.net"
target=_blank>philip@frumph.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>The big question at this point being that front-page.php if included
with theme though overrides the index.php on all counts but I don’t want it
distributed that way ;/ how would you counter that?</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=philip@frumph.net href="mailto:philip@frumph.net"
target=_blank>Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 13, 2013 8:04 PM</DIV>
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<DIV>So front-page.php basically template redirects ‘overrides’ the page
that you set it to then? and the blog loop uses the
pre-get-parser at that point on it?</DIV>
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<DIV>Damn, well yeah I was doing it wrong. (sorry chip)</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=chip@chipbennett.net
href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target=_blank>Chip Bennett</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 13, 2013 7:48 PM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>You don't assign front-page.php to a static page, because
front-page.php isn't a custom page template. In fact, front-page.php should
*not* even have a "Template Name:" phpDoc header (which is what would allow
it to be assigned to a static page).
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The front-page.php template file is used contextually by WordPress, as
per the Template Hierarchy, based on settings -> reading -> "front
page displays" and "front page".</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Philip M. Hofer
(Frumph) <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:philip@frumph.net"
target=_blank>philip@frumph.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>(snicker) guess I’ am doing it wrong then, because that has never
worked for me to assign front-page.php to a static page it has always
overwritten the main</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=zulfikarnore@live.com
href="mailto:zulfikarnore@live.com" target=_blank>Zulfikar Nore</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 13, 2013 7:32 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target=_blank>Theme
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<DIV>Ah, progress....</DIV>Now I'm getting the hang of front-page.php
:)<BR><BR>
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 22:30:14 -0400<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net"
target=_blank>chip@chipbennett.net</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org"
target=_blank>theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[theme-reviewers] Feedback on use of query_posts please -Badidea?<BR><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr>Both front-page.php and home.php are templates, defined in
the Template Hierarchy. What they are not, however, is custom static-page
templates. WordPress provides a core method to assign a static page to the
front page and to display the blog posts index, and the Template Hierarchy
defines which template files are used to render those contexts.
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>To answer your specific question: when a user selects "static page"
for "front page displays, and then assigns static pages to the front page
and posts page, WordPress will use front-page.php to render the front
page, and home.php to render the posts page.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Zulfikar Nore <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:zulfikarnore@live.com"
target=_blank>zulfikarnore@live.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Neither of which are templates.
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<DIV>front-page.php will be picked up first so where will home.php fit
in?</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 22:24:49 -0400
<DIV>
<DIV><BR>From: <A href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net"
target=_blank>chip@chipbennett.net</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org"
target=_blank>theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[theme-reviewers] Feedback on use of query_posts please
-Badidea?<BR><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr>That other page is... (wait for it...)
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<DIV>home.php</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:philip@frumph.net"
target=_blank>philip@frumph.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Okay so you have it "HALF” right .</DIV>
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<DIV>the second part of that is to have the BLOG LOOP on another
PAGE</DIV>
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<DIV>get it yet?</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=chip@chipbennett.net
href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target=_blank>Chip Bennett</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 13, 2013 7:14 PM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>No, I think I have it exactly:
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<DIV>"<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px">But
I've had a lot of requests for options to hide certain sections and
one of them <B>was the blog feed on front
page</B>."</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:philip@frumph.net"
target=_blank>philip@frumph.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Yeah, you’re not getting it.</DIV>
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<DIV>It’s not for the front page </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=chip@chipbennett.net
href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target=_blank>Chip Bennett</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 13, 2013 7:11 PM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>index.php is NOT the front page template, and should
not be used as such. It is the default fallback template.
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Use front-page.php for your front page template, and home.php
for your blog posts index template. Then all of your issues go away,
magically. :)</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Zulfikar Nore <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:zulfikarnore@live.com"
target=_blank>zulfikarnore@live.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>I'm using the index.php showing featured content at
the top followed by the blog feed - which works fine and I had
planned to stick with that. But I've had a lot of requests for
options to hide certain sections and one of them was the blog feed
on front page.
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>template.blog.php is to open the option to still have a page
with the blog feed on it when the user has opted to hide them on
the front.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Long story short - user hides posts on front but still wants
a blog fed page and this is my attempt to fill that need.<BR><BR>
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 21:42:43 -0400<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net"
target=_blank>chip@chipbennett.net</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org"
target=_blank>theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A>
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query_posts please - Bad idea?<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Why do you need template-blog.php when there is
home.php for exactly that purpose?</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV>On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Zulfikar Nore <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:zulfikarnore@live.com"
target=_blank>zulfikarnore@live.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>I've read around that using query_posts is bad but
I've seen many a themes using it and get away with it.
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My case is I'm trying to put together a template-blog.php
for StrapVert and this is what I've come up with so far:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>add_filter('option_show_on_front', '__return_false');</DIV>
<DIV> global $wp_query;</DIV>
<DIV> query_posts(array(</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN> 'paged'
=> $wp_query->get('paged'),</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap"></SPAN>
'post__not_in' => get_option('sticky_posts'),</DIV>
<DIV> ));</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> global $more; $more = 0;</DIV>
<DIV> get_template_part('index-blog');</DIV>
<DIV> $more = 1;</DIV>
<DIV>remove_filter('option_show_on_front',
'__return_false');</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> wp_reset_query();</DIV>
<DIV>wp_reset_postdata();</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But before I add these changes to the theme and submit an
update I'd like some feedback on "How Really Bad" is query_posts
and can I "get away" with the above?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks in advance,</DIV>
<DIV>Zulf
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