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<DIV>I spend a lot of time in the forums. Quite a lot, not ESMI lot, but
quite a lot. So please don’t use that as a reference.</DIV>
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<DIV>Not a single forum post I have seen that discusses the difficulty of moving
from one theme to another in the perspective that was too difficult for the end
user. Most often it was ‘this plugin does not work properly in this
theme’.</DIV>
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<DIV>Please, again ... show me a ‘real issue’ that has been made on it, any at
all – by any user.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=chip@chipbennett.net
href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net">Chip Bennett</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:06 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">Discussion list for WordPress
theme reviewers.</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin
territory?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Spend any amount of time in WordPress support forums - the official
forums, StackExchange, wherever - and you will perhaps gain a different
perspective.
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<DIV>If it weren't a real issue, then content such as the following wouldn't be
nearly so popular:</DIV>
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href="https://www.google.com/search?q=wordpress+things+to+do+when+switching+themes">https://www.google.com/search?q=wordpress+things+to+do+when+switching+themes</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>You may disagree with the extent or severity, but user experience when
switching Themes is a real issue.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:philip@frumph.net"
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class=gmail_quote>Do you have any facts supporting the claim of end users
having a difficult time when switching themes?<BR><BR>Most users who switch
themes often do it within the first week of having a blog, to find one they
really like, in my opinion - and haven't necessarily gotten into too much with
their themes to even care.<BR><BR>So, yeah .. back up what you're saying with
facts please.<BR><BR>A link to a post of some user anywhere that has had
trouble switching themes from one to another that couldn't move over data.
<DIV class=im><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- From: Dane
Morgan<BR></DIV>Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:43 AM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org"
target=_blank>theme-reviewers@lists.<U></U>wordpress.org</A>
<DIV class="im HOEnZb"><BR>Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs
- plugin territory?<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=h5>On 2013-07-16 00:22, Fränk Klein wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:54:33 -0500, Emil Uzelac <<A
href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target=_blank>emil@uzelac.me</A>>
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class=gmail_quote>Authors that offer this as an optional feature via Theme
Options<BR>should not be allowed to include them with their Themes!
Why?<BR><BR>I really don't see the reason to ban this from Themes.
Recommend,<BR>sure, let's do that, but to say no, you cannot, is just
wrong :)<BR><BR>Excluding this from Themes (*in case that author does not
fork*<BR>*into a plugin*) will "break" the Theme and that user experience
we<BR>talked about will be a terrible one. Not to mention the
author.<BR><BR>So in this case it's fine to do that because that's the
guideline<BR>but it is not if the same user decides to switch the Theme
and<BR>loses their features. Sorry I don't buy
that.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>You keep saying that removing these
features from a theme will result in<BR>a terrible user experience, but you
deny that the removal that occurs<BR>when users switch themes will be a
terrible user experience. You can't<BR>have it both ways.<BR><BR>If the loss
is traumatic, it's traumatic and we must mitigate it by<BR>making sure no more
users are subjected to it by prohibiting the practice.<BR><BR>If it is not
traumatic, then good sense and best practices demands the<BR>separation of
content and presentation and we need to nail that down.<BR><BR>But I wonder
why, given that this is actually *already in* the<BR>guidelines (<BR><A
href="http://make.wordpress.org/themes/guidelines/guidelines-plugin-territory/"
target=_blank>http://make.wordpress.org/<U></U>themes/guidelines/guidelines-<U></U>plugin-territory/</A><BR>)
as *must not* for all of the items on your proposed list, does
this<BR>conversation seem to take place as though this were a new proposal
and<BR>not already the
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