<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Why not add a separate tag called "Advanced" and put all themes with bells n whistles meant for experienced users in it and put a few warning signs around it.<br></div>That way new users can use other themes, get experience and then try the advanced ones with informed consent.<br>
</div>Theme authors will be happy and users won't be inconvenienced.<br><br></div>Probably already considered and discarded :)<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Emil Uzelac <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Happiness between authors and users is my goal. But this list is all about you and no worries, we won't let them hanging :) And my voice is equal to nothing if others don't agree. So all this might be p.@#%$# in the wind.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 15, 2013 2:39 AM, "Harish" <<a href="mailto:me@harishchouhan.com" target="_blank">me@harishchouhan.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-IN"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Well obviously the directory is for the users. However if theme authors never submitted a free theme, there would be nothing in it. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040">Harish Chouhan<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> theme-reviewers [mailto:<a href="mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Srikanth Koneru<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mon 15 July 13 01:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin territory?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Curious question, Is the theme directory for users or theme authors? I mean who's interest does it serve first?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Emil Uzelac <<a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">emil@uzelac.me</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<p>In this list author goes before user and if I have to say anything about that this cannot change. Yes, we should think of them as well, but if author does not break the core, the Theme or does not cowboy code, please let's make everyone's life easier and not push plugin territory for just about everything. I am not going against admin nor taking authors side, please make a big note of that.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>My stand will probably change if WPORG says that this what I am saying is wrong or no longer accepted. For time being, lets make beautiful Themes and ease the guidelines just a bit. WordPress is freedom, not prison. :)<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 15, 2013 2:09 AM, "Harish" <<a href="mailto:me@harishchouhan.com" target="_blank">me@harishchouhan.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I have to agree on this with Emil. Currently the way themes are reviewed is resulting the end quality of code being better in WordPress repo than many themes on premium marketplaces. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">But this constant thing about what to have in theme and what not to have is too limiting. Shortcodes, etc. are no doubt out of the question and plugin territory, but these small things such as ability to add Google verification code, GA code, etc. are very helpful for someone new. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Those who have experience enough will install a plugin for the same anyways.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040">Harish Chouhan</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:150%"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0d0d0d">Visit me at </span></b><span style="font-size:16.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0d0d0d">- </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.harishchouhan.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;color:black">www.harishchouhan.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0d0d0d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> theme-reviewers [mailto:<a href="mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Emil Uzelac<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mon 15 July 13 12:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin territory?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u><u></u></p><p>All I can say is that this is a Theme review team, not plugins. Themes in my personal opinion are just that, Themes, not plugins. In this discussion, please, let's review Themes and not throw everything into plugin territory. As always, this is my own opinion. Disagree? Fine and pretty soon you will be able and ok to submit CSS only. Note that I am not taking any side, only what I personally think is right. Of course you are more than welcome to pass or support my own opinion. :) BTW how many of you make a living out of Themes? Once again, plugins are different discussion list and I don't need to remind that this is WTRT.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 15, 2013 12:52 AM, "Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)" <<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There are two sides of the fence on this subject, those who feel that themes should not include anything that a plugin can do; which is fine. There’s really nothing wrong with that method of thinking. The OTHER side, which includes myself and Emil and a bunch of others do not really think that it’s a necessity to police those particular things. A theme doesn’t have to be cross compatible in every way except the way that the theme unit looks. Any extra feature to a theme is just that, a bonus. Whether someone switches theme’s constantly makes no difference. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A HUGE majority of themes that are being used are actually commercial themes: <a href="http://wordpress.org/themes/commercial/" title="http://wordpress.org/themes/commercial/" target="_blank">http://wordpress.org/themes/commercial/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Those when switching to one theme or another will have some things no longer work – and that is fine. There are plenty of ways, avenues and programming that you can take to include those features into the theme you switch to.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The BIGGEST idea about that the don’t-worry-about-it group’s main objective is to make the theme review process easier and faster to get through. The biggest thing that people get hung up on returning day after day to review themes is how time consuming they are to go through. We also believe that it’s not the theme review team’s responsibility to control that aspect of allowing a theme to have a feature or not, that is up to the core dev’s to make that determination.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Use all of the plugins, theme unit test and requirements for the backlinks and other things. Do the cursory views of everything that’s important and move em through the review process. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke">
<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" title="emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank">Emil Uzelac</a> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:59 PM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" title="theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.</a> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin territory?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">No worries, it's all good. So here it is, one example: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Settings_API" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/Settings_API</a> excluding "Cowboy Coding" </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">there should not be any issues with that.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Or even better:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="https://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Customization_API" target="_blank">https://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Customization_API</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Azizur Rahman <<a href="mailto:prodevstudio@gmail.com" target="_blank">prodevstudio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">If there is no core api for this kind of option/configuration then how does a developer add those properly? (I am not picking on you Emil so don't take it personally) </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">IMO these options are equivalent to robot.txt which is taken care of in core.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In my view these are site configuration and theme should stay out of them. It has nothing to do with presentation.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">WPTRT could propose that if a theme is going to provide an interface to set these value they need to be stores such a way that it can transfer from theme to theme and even plugins. WPTRT needs provide those guidelines in where and how these config stored/retrived. so that user/site is not impacted adversely when switching themes.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I know not everyone will agree to above but it is in the best interest of the end user. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Azizur </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
<br>On Monday, 15 July 2013, Emil Uzelac wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi Jason, </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Assuming that we're referring to Theme Options, this should be fine.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As long as this is not hardcoded and properly added :)</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Emil </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Jason Clarke <<a href="mailto:jgc@jasonclarke.org" target="_blank">jgc@jasonclarke.org</a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi Admins, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Long-time listener, first-time caller here- in reviewing my first theme, I remembered a recent list discussion on how Analytics-specific fields in themes are not allowed because they're considered plugin territory.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On a related note, I'm assuming that other similar fields such as "Google Webmaster Tools ID" and "Alexa ID" are also plugin territory- can the admins confirm this is the case?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thank you!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jason</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">PS - As a side/related note, it would be super helpful if the list archives where somehow searchable - that might be one more avenue for newbies like myself to check before emailing the list (assuming guidelines haven't changed).<span style="color:#888888"><br clear="all">
</span></span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#888888"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#888888">-- <br>
Jason Clarke<br><a href="http://jasonclarke.org" target="_blank">http://jasonclarke.org</a><br><br>************************</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
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