<div dir="ltr">Would it be acceptable if <a href="http://make.wordpress.org/themes/guidelines/guidelines-plugin-territory/">this guideline</a> does not apply to the Themes that are already in repository?<div><br></div><div>
<i>Plugin Territory Guidelines are required for new Themes, and recommended for existing Themes.</i><br></div><div><br></div><div>If there are no security issues, conflict with the core etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Am I asking too much, what do you think?</div>
<div><br></div><div>P.S. Also only few of us are discussing this, are the rest not interested, affected, what's up?</div><div><br></div><div>Emil </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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me, Mr. Bennett. As part of the ‘community’; there have been
discussions for and against, yet YOU working OUT of the team made the
determination as a requirement. You completely ignored the
make WordPress themes conversation when it was first discussed and decided ON
YOUR OWN. In an email with other’s they were still under the
impression that it was ‘recommended’ still up until several weeks ago when it
came back into topic of conversation.</div></div>
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<div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';display:inline;font-weight:normal">While
it would be beneficial for you to believe you are in a team, your actions have
stated otherwise. From the very beginning to now.</div></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="chip@chipbennett.net" href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">Chip Bennett</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 15, 2013 8:27 AM</div><div><div class="h5">
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">Discussion list for WordPress
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [theme-reviewers] Webmaster Tools IDs - plugin
territory?</div></div></div></div></div>
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<div dir="ltr">For the record: the Theme Review Admins work as a team. There is no
"leader". It has always been that way, and will continue to be that way, unless
and until we are told otherwise.
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<div>The community rep is just that: a liaison to communicate with the rest of
the WordPress community. The community rep doesn't have to be one of the Admins
(and I think it would be great if a non-admin would want to take up that role
sometime).</div>
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<div>What we are engaging in at the moment is a *discussion*. As part of that
discussion, Emil and I are expressing our opinions. It is not required that all
Admins hold to the same opinion (nor would such be a benefit). </div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Philip M. Hofer
(Frumph) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>End users have lived with it so far, there haven’t been any major
complaints or suggestions on the forums to say the contrary. I
believe you are over emphasizing the severity.</div>
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<div>There are people including myself that do not agree with this and you
personally are not listening to the community. Which makes things
difficult because you apparently have no one to answer to. Last I
checked Emil was lead at the moment and you are not. When the
community itself or members thereof do not like the results that are happening
there needs to be someone that can be talked with that can mediate the
situation and make a determination.</div>
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<div>It would behoove you to not be as adamant as you are.
Consider a compromise then, most of our ‘concerns’ with the myself and others
who have had themes on the repo for a predominate amount of time would not
like to see our end users have the headache that it will cause to add an
additional plugin. Hostings like 1and1 and some others are very
limited with their memory usage; <strong>so consider making it so that all NEW
themes as a requirement to not include said plugin territory options and
things in priority 1 should be a bit more lenient in reviewing
updates</strong>.</div>
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<div>I am already maxed out in tech support as it is where I do not have time
nor the inclination to sit here and worry about 20,000+ people who are going
to be emailing me or adding post after post on the forums concerning a new
update which destroys their site. Currently I already point
them to the github instead of the repo. I am positive that the
repo was there for theme’s to be able to be stored and able to be a helpful
tool for the end user and not a hindrance.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="chip@chipbennett.net" href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank">Chip Bennett</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 15, 2013 5:12 AM</div>
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<div>Those when switching to one theme or another will have some things no
longer work – and that is fine. There are plenty of ways, avenues and
programming that you can take to include those features into the theme you
switch to.</div></div></div></div></blockquote>
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<div>I disagree with "and that is fine." Most end users aren't developers, and
won't have the skills or desire to take advantage of the "plenty of ways,
avenues and programming" to add missing functionality to their new
Theme.</div>
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<div>The single most important party in this consideration is not the Theme
developer, or the Theme reviewers, but rather the Theme's end users. </div>
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<div>The BIGGEST idea about that the don’t-worry-about-it group’s main
objective is to make the theme review process easier and faster to get
through. The biggest thing that people get hung up on returning
day after day to review themes is how time consuming they are to go
through. We also believe that it’s not the theme review team’s
responsibility to control that aspect of allowing a theme to have a feature
or not, that is up to the core dev’s to make that
determination.</div></div></div></div></blockquote>
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<div>The core team has made it the Theme Review Team's responsibility. </div>
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<div>And I disagree that what you're suggesting would make Theme reviews
easier. Why would a Theme review be easier if the Theme can include any manner
of arbitrary functionality? Allowing functionality that goes beyond
presentation of user content just means that much more code that a reviewer
has to review, understand, and test. </div>
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<div>Use all of the plugins, theme unit test and requirements for the
backlinks and other things. Do the cursory views of everything
that’s important and move em through the review process.
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<div>That's not sufficient for the end user. Code needs to be secure. Included
functionality needs to work properly.I contend that those considerations *are*
important to end users. Thus, everything that a Theme indicates that it does
needs to be tested during the review process.</div>
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<div>The single most important party in this consideration is not the Theme
developer, or the Theme reviewers, but rather the Theme's end
users.</div></div></div></div></div></div>
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