<div dir="ltr">> <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So, yeah, if you just want Like buttons at the end of a post, or in a widget, a plugin is just fine. Want it somewhere clever or interestingly laid out to match a theme, I think we are in theme territory. I know that makes the line a bit fuzzy for writing a set of standards, but please don't go so far to limit theme design, or even user convenience.</span><div>
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">This is pretty much the point. And barring the inclusion of standard template hooks (I'm still fighting for those), such things will remain "fuzzy", because they will continue to cross the functional/presentational line. But the Guidelines need to be as clear and explicit as possible, without getting lost in the minutia. At the end of the day, for something like a content-sharing link/button: make an argument that it is an intentional part of the Theme's design aesthetic, and there should be no issue with getting a pass. Think of it as:</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">- Intentional part of the Theme design aesthetic? Good.</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">- Essentially packaging the "Share This" Plugin? Not good.</span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">And if you want better ways to differentiate between Theme and Plugin territory, help me push for standard template hooks, so that Plugin developers have a standard way to hook things like social content-sharing links/buttons at the end of posts. :)</span></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Bruce Wampler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:weavertheme@gmail.com" target="_blank">weavertheme@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>I've been watching the "Plugin Territory" discussion for some time, including the recent posts about displaying ads and social media links of various kinds.<br>
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I think the "That's plugin territory" answer is starting to go a bit too far for things that I think are layout and design elements. Placement of ads, social links, and many other small things like that are really an important part of the visual design, and it is simply impossible for any plugin to match all elements of a theme's layout design and CSS styling.<br>
<br></div>I just don't see how things like social links and ads are really part of the content - they do have to be specified, of course - but they aren't part of posts or pages. An end user might want these elements in various places - header, menu bar, end of content, sidebars, even post meta information lines.<br>
<br></div>I can imaging a user really wanting a line like "Posted on June 15, 2013 by author. Like". Very reasonable, useful, and nice layout. As far as I know, there are no filters available for whole meta info lines, let alone a standard for just what goes in those lines or foolproof ways to match a given theme's style. So how would a plugin even be able to approach that issue? It is a design issue, and design issues are theme territory.<br>
<br></div>And why not social links, including LIke in the menu bar or header area? Or ads? Where in the menu bar or header? Once again, design issues with no reasonable solution via actions or filters to totally control placement and layout. It just seems theme territory to me.<br>
<br></div>So, yeah, if you just want Like buttons at the end of a post, or in a widget, a plugin is just fine. Want it somewhere clever or interestingly laid out to match a theme, I think we are in theme territory. I know that makes the line a bit fuzzy for writing a set of standards, but please don't go so far to limit theme design, or even user convenience.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>Bruce Wampler<br></font></span></div>
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