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<DIV>Define “<FONT face="Times New Roman">custom post-content shortcodes”
sure, it does not mean ‘all shortcodes”</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=chip@chipbennett.net
href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net">Chip Bennett</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:02 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">[theme-reviewers]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [theme-reviewers] Questions on my first
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Philip M. Hofer
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=contact@themezee.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:39 AM</DIV>
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<DIV>Sorry Chip, I don't saw your last email until now. Stupid Gmail
Import..<BR><BR></DIV>I know the Presentation vs Functionality Guideline, but
this guideline is really unclear worded for me. I only understand it know
because I have followed the mailing list here for some time. Since then I know
most things I can include in my themes and what not. I'm no native speaker so
maybe it's just that ;)<BR><BR></DIV>I agree that the guideline can not list
every possible issue, but a few examples below the guidelines would be nice.
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<DIV>Post Content Shortcodes are not allowed. <BR></DIV>Custom Post Types not
allowed (except for special use cases?)<BR></DIV>Functionality which is not
presentational like Tracking Codes, SEO Options ...<BR><BR></DIV>As you have
said every human interprets the guidelines differently. Therefore they should
be as clear as possible to make the theme reviews as consistent as possible.
<BR><BR></DIV>That is just my opinion, I don't want to offend anyone
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2013/6/12 Thomas from ThemeZee <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>Ah of course shortcodes and CPTs should always be forbidden because
they cause really high lock-in effects, but there are also lock-in effects
(although they're smaller) of Google Analytics and SEO options.
<BR><BR></DIV>My email should not induce that these things should be
allowed, I just want a clear guideline :)<BR><BR></DIV>Best
Regards,<BR>Thomas<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Allowing {plugin-territory-stuff} now (even if it's disabled by
default) would have the effect that theme developers are allowed to also
include shortcodes and custom post types in their themes.
<BR><BR></DIV>After all in my opinion shortcodes and CPTs are more
presentational than sharing buttons, google analytics and SEO. I had
planned to include a simple image slideshow based on CPTs a few month ago
and was turned down.<BR><BR></DIV>And it was a good thing. It took me some
time but now I truly believe that themes should not include any plugin
territory features. Therefore I would suggest to continue the
{plugin-territory-stuff} is strictly forbidden policy..<BR><BR></DIV>The
only thing that really bugs me is that there is no guideline and no
consistent rules. The result is that their are hundred of themes which
have a lot of plugin stuff in their themes and other themes are rejected
for the exact same features. <BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I can live with both {plugin-territory-stuff} is allowed or not, but
it should be stated clearly in the guidelines and applied by all theme
reviewers.<BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>Just my 2 cents<SPAN><FONT
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2013/6/12 Peter Kakoma <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>The issue is that there is no definitive guideline about
{plugin-territory-stuff}. I believe the end-goal of this discussion is
to draft one and share it with the rest of the world (otherwise we'll be
discussing this again two months from now when a first-time reviewer
asks the same question)<BR><BR></DIV>And in as much as my theme is
guilty of adding Analytics, I agree with you-the line should be drawn at
non-presentational stuff (*cough* SEO, *cough*). Removing Analytics now,
updating the theme.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Chip Bennett
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<DIV>Things that are marginally presentational (e.g. sharing links)?
Using the Favicon guidelines as a model is reasonable. But Google
Analytics: no reason to facilitate Themes adding this functionality.
It's not in any way whatsoever presentational. As far as I'm
concerned, that's an absolute line of demarcation. If it's not in any
way presentational, it doesn't belong in a Theme,
opt-in/disabled-by-default or otherwise.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Edward Caissie <SPAN
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target=_blank>edward.caissie@gmail.com</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Peter Kakoma
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<LI>Themes are recommended not to implement custom
{plugin-territory-stuff} functionality. <BR>
<LI>If implemented, {plugin-territory-stuff} functionality is
required to be opt-in, and disabled by default. <BR>
<LI>If implemented, {plugin-territory-stuff} functionality is
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<DIV class=gmail_extra>Those points are fairly well sorted except
for the third which is really more relevant to the original ideas
behind the use of favicons, but if you use the first two points as
your benchmark then you should be (for the most part but not 100%
guaranteed) fine with going forward.<SPAN><FONT
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<DIV>Edward Caissie<BR>aka Cais.</DIV></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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