<div dir="ltr">And let me add that I'm not afraid any of you or speak my mind. On the contrary, now it would be a blessing to get banned from this list:)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 May 2013 01:29, Bryan Hadaway <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bhadaway@gmail.com" target="_blank">bhadaway@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'm starting a separate topic for this because it's becoming an issue, an issue I think that effects the whole community, but I can only speak for myself. If you're not going to read the following and read it in full and reply in-list, don't read it at all.<br>
<div><br>Ironically, I got another off-list email of someone essentially agreeing
with me and saying they understand where I'm coming from (regarding recent issues I raised in "<i>Proposed criteria change for Commercially Supported GPL Themes page<span></span></i>" - I won't
reveal their identity nor will I ever when someone wishes to remain
anonymous, though I don't agree with the off-listing). Ironic because I
didn't realize they went off-list at the time and my reply was as
follows:<br><br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>"<span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">Anything list related is fine by me
being public, I think it's better for the community because all these
off-list private discussions is what are in fact counter-productive in
my opinion (within reason of course, but I think this issue concerns
others as well).<br>
<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">Examples include people going off-list to take a certain tone
with me that they're clearly not comfortable doing "in front of others"
as well as several occasions where people went off-list just to agree
with me because they weren't comfortable doing so publicly.<br>
<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">You hear people talk about ethics and other strong standards
in the WordPress community, but I see a lot of petty and unbecoming
behavior. Mostly if you can't stand behind your convictions publicly,
those convictions aren't worth a damn.<br>
<br>I have no need to take conversations off-list because I have nothing to be embarrassed about,
I have a strong moral center and even if I'm wrong about something
that's fine, I'm very comfortable admitting when I'm wrong, it's the
best way to learn.<br>
<br>Whether the WP community, my own business and online communities or
my real life family and friends, people always know where I stand. Tired
of a PC, beat around the bush, euphemism society. That doesn't mean
that politeness isn't important. But, it's because of our oversensitive
society that that line becomes blurred.<br>
<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">Albeit, I should learn to pick by battles better, that's just
the kind of person I am, if I feel something needs saying, it will be
said, even if in vein.<br><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">Yes, I had sent some inquires to <a href="mailto:themes@wordpress.org" target="_blank">themes@wordpress.org</a>
with no reply which is why I initially raised the issue to the list a
while back, to get some community feedback, but never got any official
resolution until now.<br>
<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">I know what you mean, believe it or not, I skip about 90% of
these discussions. I really only chime in when I have something
pertinent, relevant or substantial to say unless I'm helping with a
newbie question real quick.<br>
<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">I usually just go by the subjects of the email and delete
every subsequent email reply of those subjects that either don't concern
me or I'm not interested in/can't add anything to.<br><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">Anyways,
let's bury this dead horse. I raised some issues, Scott was able to
shed some light on them, back to refining the criteria for commercial
list eligibility.</span>"<br><br></div><div>Anyways, now that that is out of the way, onto the...<br><br></div><div><font size="4"><b>Bottom Line</b></font><br><br></div><div>- If a discussion originates privately and want to go on to share it with the list to get feedback, great.<br>
<br></div><div>- If you want to contact me privately about something off-topic, great.<br><br></div><div>- But, if a discussion originates in-list, agree or disagree with me <i>in-list</i>, <i>in context</i>, <i>publicly</i>. That's how a community works. If you can't share your opinion with me in-list and have to go off-list to share with me privately so that no one else sees, I don't want it. It doesn't do me any good in validating that my points have merit.<br>
<br>If you agree with a peer in your community, speak up during the meeting for the whole community to hear. Don't wait til it's over and come over and whisper in my ear "Hey man, I appreciate what you said and get what you're saying completely." That's counter-productive and the complete opposite of how a community should work.<br>
<br></div><div>I don't know what it is about the WP community, but people are so afraid to speak their minds sometimes like they're going to get banned or something. This is unfortunate.<br></div></div>
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