<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style='font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;'>Doesn't it also make them no longer timeless. When reading, if something is too old I tend to disregard it depending on the subject matter. A timestamp doesn't really tell me this content is static, it tells me it's stale. And those two words are not synonymous for me.<div><br></div><div>In building hundreds of sites I can't think of a dingle use case where timestamps on a static page would have been desirable. That being said I'm sure there are some in which that makes sense but definitely not the norm or even frequent.<br><br><div id="">James Laws<div><a href="http://wpninjas.com" title="The WP Ninjas" target="_blank">wpninjas.com</a></div><div><a href="http://twitter.com/jameslaws" title="James Laws on Twitter" target="_blank">twitter.com/jameslaws</a></div></div><br><div id="1"><br>---- On Thu, 16 May 2013 11:46:43 -0500 <b>Edward Caissie<edward.caissie@gmail.com></b> wrote ---- <br></div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000FF; padding-left: 6px;"><div dir="ltr">No timestamp means no fixed position means not static ...<br></div><div><br clear="all"><div>Edward Caissie<br>aka Cais.</div> <br><br><div>On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Edward Caissie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:edward.caissie@gmail.com" target="_blank" mailid="edward.caissie%40gmail.com" subj="">edward.caissie@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr">A published timestamp fixes the page to a point in time, thus making it truly static.<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><div><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"> <div>Edward Caissie<br>aka Cais.</div></font></span><div><div> <br><br><div>On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Chip Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank" mailid="chip%40chipbennett.net" subj="">chip@chipbennett.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr">Let's look at this another way: what would be the point/benefit of displaying the *publish* date/time on a Static Page?</div><div><div><div><br><br><div> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Edward Caissie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:edward.caissie@gmail.com" target="_blank" mailid="edward.caissie%40gmail.com" subj="">edward.caissie@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>My bad for not "noticing" it before now ... but that does not change the point that it should not be in the guidelines; or the point that there are most likely quite a few themes that should not be in the repository based solely on that guideline as well.<br> <br></div>The point of something being static requires it to be fixed to a certain place or time thus having a timestamp is more likely to indicate the page to be static than to not have a timestamp. Having a guideline that dictates no fixed location, as in time, seems more counter-intuitive than useful.<span><font color="#888888"><br> </font></span></div><div><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div>Edward Caissie<br>aka Cais.</div></font></span><div><div> <br><br><div>On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Amy Hendrix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sabreuse@gmail.com" target="_blank" mailid="sabreuse%40gmail.com" subj="">sabreuse@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> (this is becoming a bad habit!) My bad -- that wasn't the original<br> version, just the oldest revision on the first page of history (D'OH!)<br> but my point is that the no timestamps guideline has been around for<br> several years now.<br> <div><div><br> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Amy Hendrix <<a href="mailto:sabreuse@gmail.com" target="_blank" mailid="sabreuse%40gmail.com" subj="">sabreuse@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > Sorry to follow up to my own email, but the first version of the Unit<br> > Test codex page at<br> > <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/index.php?title=Theme_Unit_Test&oldid=91985" title=" target=" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/index.php?title=Theme_Unit_Test&oldid=91985</a><br> > has "Make sure datestamps or timestamps are not visible." in 2010 --<br> > as authored by Cais ;)<br> ><br> > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Amy Hendrix <<a href="mailto:sabreuse@gmail.com" target="_blank" mailid="sabreuse%40gmail.com" subj="">sabreuse@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >> The guideline that Posts should display timestamps but Pages should<br> >> not has been around for as long as I've been using the Theme Unit Test<br> >> -- I completely agree that stale information on posts is always an<br> >> issue, but IME the norm for just about all the users I deal with is<br> >> that static pages should be seen as static, not time-dependent.<br> >><br> >> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Emil Uzelac <<a href="mailto:emil@uzelac.me" target="_blank" mailid="emil%40uzelac.me" subj="">emil@uzelac.me</a>> wrote:<br> >>> I did not have time to check latest version yet, however I do agree<br> >>> that timestamp should be displayed and not dictated if that is the case.<br> >>><br> >>><br> >>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Edward Caissie <<a href="mailto:edward.caissie@gmail.com" target="_blank" mailid="edward.caissie%40gmail.com" subj="">edward.caissie@gmail.com</a>><br> >>> wrote:<br> >>>><br> >>>> I was just reviewing the latest Theme Unit Test data (mostly because I<br> >>>> cannot seem to get the entire data set to import into my local test<br> >>>> environment) and noticed "date/time stamp should not be displayed" ...<br> >>>> perhaps I missed some extensive discussion but where did this guideline come<br> >>>> from?<br> >>>><br> >>>> This is the single most common complaint about information found on<br> >>>> WordPress installations that I hear, the reader generally has no idea if the<br> >>>> information is current or stale ... and more often than not those search<br> >>>> results that appear to rank highest tend also to be the ones that are<br> >>>> outdated.<br> >>>><br> >>>> I can see the category/tag meta data not being displayed (mostly due to it<br> >>>> not being available in a default installation) but to not show the timestamp<br> >>>> by reason of it being a guideline, that simply does not make sense.<br> >>>><br> >>>> By design? Yes. By theme author prerogative? Yes. 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