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<DIV>Expect that every email you make every thing you do on the internet
internet has a stamp of your IP on it.</DIV>
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<DIV>And no, those are not valid. For the reasons, see above line
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>And now, in homage.. a Dr. Suess
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>It’s like telling a blumpheter that he can’t use
the squagle on his blumphet because squagles in your opinion are not what you
expect him to use to dwiddle. However, every blumphet on the
planet has a squagle. .. no squagles allowed in your house, no sir reee.
You’re just so angry, you’re going to dwiddle the city plibster but to contact
that plibster you need to use a blumpheter with a squagle to
dwiddle!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=james@wpninjas.com
href="mailto:james@wpninjas.com">james</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:28 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [theme-reviewers] Hidden IP field in theme contact
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are just being silly. Obviously there are security measures that WordPress
implements that has no need of disclosing every little thing that it does. But
we're not talking about WordPress security. We're talking about a theme
developer deciding they want to track information about me within my own admin.
These are two entirely different things.
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<DIV>The issue here is user expectations and rights. As a user I expect that
WordPress does various things to keep my site secure and stable. As a user, when
I installa theme I expect it will change the appearance of my site and perhaps
even add various settings within my admin that I my manage said theme. I do not
expect that a random developer has the right to track what, how or from where I
manage my admin. I can also completely respect a developer creating a system by
which if a user needs support they can request it right from their admin and
that the request could reasonably send data about my install to help the
developer with troubleshooting. But I would also expect the developer to
disclose what data will be submitted so I have the option to not use that said
system if the data being gathered makes me uncomfortable.</DIV>
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<DIV>These are all reasonable expectations and since the role of the Theme Repo
is to protect users and not theme developers it seems very much valid. Of course
you are certainly welcome to your opinion but it does not invalidate my
own.<BR><BR>
<DIV>James Laws
<DIV><A title="The WP Ninjas" href="http://wpninjas.com"
target=_blank>wpninjas.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><A title="James Laws on Twitter" href="http://twitter.com/jameslaws"
target=_blank>twitter.com/jameslaws</A></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV id=1><BR>---- On Sat, 11 May 2013 09:19:00 -0500 <B>Philip M. Hofer
(Frumph)<philip@frumph.net></B> wrote ---- <BR></DIV><BR>
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<DIV>There are so many things in ‘hidden fields’ all over the place within
WP’s admin. This argument is seriously invalid.</DIV>
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<DIV>I suppose you want the wp_nonce_field functionality open as well too then
huh?</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=james@wpninjas.com
href="mailto:james@wpninjas.com" target=_blank subj=""
mailid="james%40wpninjas.com">james</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:16 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target=_blank subj=""
mailid="theme-reviewers%40lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [theme-reviewers] Hidden IP field in theme contact
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shall not. :P<BR><BR>
<DIV>James Laws
<DIV><A title="The WP Ninjas" href="http://wpninjas.com"
target=_blank>wpninjas.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><A title="James Laws on Twitter" href="http://twitter.com/jameslaws"
target=_blank>twitter.com/jameslaws</A></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT><BR>---- On Sat, 11 May 2013 09:15:27
-0500 <B>Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <<A href="mailto:philip@frumph.net"
target=_blank subj=""
mailid="philip%40frumph.net">philip@frumph.net</A>></B> wrote ----
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=james@wpninjas.com
href="mailto:james@wpninjas.com" target=_blank subj=""
mailid="james%40wpninjas.com">james</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:48 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target=_blank subj=""
mailid="theme-reviewers%40lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [theme-reviewers] Hidden IP field in theme contact
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two cents? I don't care what the reasons are for tracking IP or any other
data. You are in my WordPress admin. You are adding things into my Control
Panel that I use to administer my website. I am the supreme king in there
and anything you do in my admin should be fully disclosed, period. Every
other argument is pointless to me until that is settled. My admin, my
rights. Add it, don't add it, but tell me what you are doing when you come
into my house. :)<BR><BR>
<DIV>James Laws
<DIV><A title="The WP Ninjas" href="http://wpninjas.com"
target=_blank>wpninjas.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><A title="James Laws on Twitter" href="http://twitter.com/jameslaws"
target=_blank>twitter.com/jameslaws</A></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>---- On Sat, 11 May 2013 07:14:15 -0500 <B>Daniel Fenn <<A
href="mailto:danielx386@gmail.com" target=_blank subj=""
mailid="danielx386%40gmail.com">danielx386@gmail.com</A>></B> wrote ----
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 6px">And
the fact that webservers collect ip addresses as well.
(apache,<BR>litespeed etc)<BR><BR>On 5/11/13, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph)
<<A href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target=_blank subj=""
mailid="philip%40frumph.net">philip@frumph.net</A>> wrote:<BR>>
Yeah, really not having an issue with it, there’s no rule or
regulation<BR>> against sending the IP hidden or otherwise. Mail’s
generally have the<BR>> originators IP in them to begin with, this is
just making sure the IP of the<BR>> ‘real’ originator since it will be
coming from the users server’s location<BR>> in the headers of the
mail.<BR>> Just to point out that regular vanilla WordPress collects
IP’s of comments<BR>> without notifying.<BR>> From: Bryan
Hadaway<BR>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 4:56 PM<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target=_blank subj=""
mailid="theme-reviewers%40lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Hidden IP field in theme contact
form<BR>><BR>> 1. To block known bad IPs (like Akismet), to build
location stats on your<BR>> users (no different than GA, nothing
unethical about it that I can tell at<BR>> first
glance).<BR>><BR>><BR>> 2. This would be better asked as why
disclose that info? I've never seen a<BR>> form on any website EVER, do
this. That includes .org and .com. I've seen<BR>> little snippets about
why your email address is needed, but I've absolutely<BR>> NEVER seen
in a form in any context EVER have a little "PS: We also collect<BR>>
your IP for spam and banning purposes." And I sincerely doubt you or
anyone<BR>> else on this list has ever seen that besides buried deep in
the bowels of<BR>> the TOS or Privacy Policy fine print that doesn't
really apply in this<BR>> context anyways.<BR>><BR>><BR>> 3.
Because the options are stored in the db, not sent to someone's inbox.
An<BR>> inbox that perhaps would rather avoid being filled with
potentially<BR>> thousands of spam emails or even if they went to the
spam folder. Also, I'm<BR>> sure there are other serious professionals
like myself who aren't negligent<BR>> enough to simply delete their
spam emails without scanning them for false<BR>> positives
first.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hey, maybe this person really does somehow
have malicious intent, though I<BR>> can't imagine how, but ultimately
I'm protected the precedent, not the<BR>> individual use-case which I
think most of us understand is the larger<BR>> concern when these
issues come up.<BR>><BR>><BR>> As to the last bit, that's
programmer speak that goes right over my
head.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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