<div dir="ltr">Great! We&#39;ll see about getting it added to &quot;Make&quot; as well<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>Edward Caissie<br>aka Cais.</div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Kirk Wight <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kwight@kwight.ca" target="_blank">kwight@kwight.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

My creds don&#39;t allow me to edit Make, but I added it to the Codex here: <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development#Testing_and_QA" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development#Testing_and_QA</a><div class="HOEnZb">

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On 1 February 2013 08:54, Edward Caissie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:edward.caissie@gmail.com" target="_blank">edward.caissie@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div dir="ltr">@Kirk - That should actually get onto the Make site as a reference / resource / tool<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">



<div>Edward Caissie<br>aka Cais.</div></font></span><div><div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Kirk Wight <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kwight@kwight.ca" target="_blank">kwight@kwight.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





Repeated, completely off-topic but entirely related, Microsoft has produced a site at <a href="http://modern.ie" target="_blank">http://modern.ie</a> that makes testing IE as simple as possible (providing VHDs for Mac and Linux as well). Just in case anyone missed it :)<div>





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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 February 2013 08:42, Edward Caissie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:edward.caissie@gmail.com" target="_blank">edward.caissie@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">







<div dir="ltr"><div>As long as the reviewer is using a &quot;modern&quot; browser in their process I am not overly concerned they review the theme in multiple browsers. For the most part, what we as reviewers are looking at will be apparent no matter which browser the theme is being viewed with; and, also, visual issues with the theme tend to fall mostly to aesthetics which also (for the most part) are not requirements that need to be met for approval.<br>









<br></div>Now, all that being written, if a reviewer finds that in a specific browser something doesn&#39;t *look* right (but does *work* correctly) it is strongly recommended the reviewer let the theme author know so they can address that issue if they choose to.<span><font color="#888888"><br>









</font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div>Edward Caissie<br>aka Cais.</div></font></span><div><div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Paul Appleyard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:paul@spacecat.com" target="_blank">paul@spacecat.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">










  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>
    On 1/02/2013 5:53 PM, Alex Watson wrote:<br>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div> I think we should recommend that the theme works in all
        modern browsers. Microsoft have just launched <a href="http://www.modern.ie/" target="_blank">http://www.modern.ie</a> making
        it a lot easier to test in IE. Being a web developer I have a
        Browserstack account, as making sure my work is cross browser
        compatible is essential to me. Besides, nowadays its a lot
        easier to make sure sites work in IE, compared to the days of
        IE6!</div>
    </blockquote>
    <b><br>
    </b></div><i>Agreed; but once again it comes down to the reviewer testing
      it in all modern browsers.</i><div><br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Btw the guy who built the theme has got back to me and says
        that the theme does not support IE9+. (odd, as i notice he does
        include the html5shiv.js, so he must be thinking about IE at
        least. Anyway I am yet to actually test his site in IE) As a
        theme reviewer, regardless of the guidelines I will be testing
        in all modern browsers anyway. If a site totally breaks in IE9+
        (perhaps even in IE8) then I&#39;d have concerns.</div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    </div><i>So &#39;does not support IE9+&#39; would mean all IE versions - unless
      for some weird reason it works in, say, IE8 .. but I guess what
      he&#39;s saying is that he doesn&#39;t expect it to work properly in IE.
      Out of curiosity, what are these features that IE can&#39;t handle?</i><br>
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    <blockquote type="cite">
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      <div>Alex</div><span><font color="#888888">
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    <br>
    <i>Paul</i></font></span><div><div><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div>
        <div><span style="color:rgb(160,160,168)"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span style="color:rgb(160,160,168)">On Friday, 1
            February 2013 at 07:13, Paul Appleyard wrote:</span></div>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite" style="border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px">
        <span>
          <div>
            <div>
              
              Any new browser-centric requirements would hit a
              limitation on what browser the reviewer uses, or can use.
              So there&#39;s a built-in restriction on browser support, in
              that it must support the reviewer&#39;s browser, which is very
              likely a recent Chrome or Firefox iteration.<br>
              <br>
              I guess it (theme-specified browser requirements) would
              also come in to play as an issue if the theme author is
              implementing some pretty specific Javascript or HTML5
              (some advanced canvas manipulation stuff for example,
              although Excanvas helps there too with IE7/8) And that&#39;s
              bleeding in to plugin territory, really.<br>
              <br>
              To sum up: If it doesn&#39;t break in a way to fail on
              existing guidelines, let it be. Therefore, the only
              amendment to review guidelines would be that testing be
              done in an up-to-date browser; is that requirement in
              there already?<br>
              <br>
              Paul<br>
              <br>
              <div>On 1/02/2013 2:43 PM, Justin Tadlock wrote:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div>
                  
                  I&#39;m pretty much in agreement with Chip.<br>
                  <br>
                  My personal rule in regards to IE is to support the 2
                  latest versions, which are currently 9 and 10.<br>
                  <br>
                  <div>On 1/31/2013 7:03 PM, Chip Bennett wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>
                      <div dir="ltr">I have no problem with it. A
                        properly developed and designed Theme should
                        have minimal IE issues anymore, anyway.
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>I don&#39;t &quot;support&quot; IE with my
                          Theme, either. I can&#39;t; I use Linux, and thus
                          have no way of even *running* IE.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Doing something that actively
                          *excludes* IE (or any other browser) would
                          certainly not be acceptable; but developing a
                          standards-compliant Theme, and opting not to
                          jump through hoops for IE? Meh; doesn&#39;t bother
                          me all that much.</div>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                        <br>
                        <div>On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Edward
                          Caissie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:edward.caissie@gmail.com" target="_blank">edward.caissie@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                          wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div>
                              <div dir="ltr">
                                <div>
                                  <div>Flatly not supporting one of the
                                    most commonly found browsers (not
                                    necessarily used but it does come
                                    with Windows) is not a very good
                                    idea; and although we do not have
                                    any specific guidelines in place I
                                    think if a Theme Author is going
                                    that route something that
                                    significant should be in the Theme
                                    description.<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  As it is, you would be better served
                                  by asking the Theme author to explain
                                  that statement before making any
                                  assumptions. As noted, it may only be
                                  that they are supporting current
                                  versions of IE and simply left off the
                                  version number in their readme file.<br>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                                Myself, for general distribution themes,
                                I only support current (or one version
                                back at the most) browsers. I don&#39;t
                                state the actual version only making
                                reference to the browser being current.
                                Of course, client work is generally
                                different but those &quot;rules&quot; do not
                                necessarily apply here.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                  </font></span></div>
                              <div><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">
                                    <div>Edward Caissie<br>
                                      aka Cais.</div>
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                                  <div> <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div>On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:12
                                      PM, John Heimkes IV <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:john@heimk.es" target="_blank">john@heimk.es</a>&gt;</span>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <blockquote type="cite">
                                        <div>
                                          <div style="word-wrap:break-word">That&#39;s
                                            a great question, actually.
                                            I&#39;d like to know what the
                                            general consensus is on this
                                            matter. Don&#39;t worry about
                                            being fussy. I&#39;ve been doing
                                            front-end for many years.
                                            So, I totally get it.
                                            <div> <br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>My personal opinion is
                                              if they&#39;re not going to
                                              support certain browsers
                                              (aka, the browsers most of
                                              us web developers have to
                                              support on a daily basis),
                                              the author <i>should</i>
                                              make it known up front -
                                              especially in the CSS file
                                              for good documentation
                                              purposes. Some sort of
                                              clarification from the
                                              author would be nice in
                                              this case. Maybe they&#39;re
                                              just not supporting older
                                              versions of IE and it
                                              looks fine in IE10, and
                                              maybe even IE9.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Anyway, I hope someone
                                              else has a better answer!</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Thanks,</div>
                                            <div>John Heimkes IV</div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>On Jan 31,
                                                      2013, at 6:03 PM,
                                                      Srikanth Koneru
                                                      &lt;<a href="mailto:tskk79@gmail.com" target="_blank">tskk79@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                                      wrote:</div>
                                                    <br>
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                                                      <div>
                                                        <div dir="ltr">Since
                                                          IE has at
                                                          least 30%
                                                          browser share,
                                                          I think theme
                                                          has to support
                                                          it.<br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>On Fri,
                                                          Feb 1, 2013 at
                                                          5:31 AM, Alex
                                                          Watson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alex@alexwatson.co.uk" target="_blank">alex@alexwatson.co.uk</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>Hi
                                                          everyone!</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>So I&#39;m
                                                          reviewing my
                                                          first theme,
                                                          and a few mins
                                                          into it I find
                                                          this in the
                                                          readme.txt:</div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-family:monospace;white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-family:monospace;white-space:pre-wrap">*
                                                          NOT SUPPORTED
                                                          on Internet
                                                          Explore *</span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-family:monospace;white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">Is


                                                          that okay? Are
                                                          themes allowed
                                                          to be built
                                                          and not work
                                                          in IE at all?
                                                          It&#39;s probably
                                                          the fussy web
                                                          developer side
                                                          of me coming
                                                          out here, as
                                                          everything I
                                                          do has to work
                                                          in IE8+ :)
                                                          I&#39;ve not got
                                                          so far as to
                                                          have tested it
                                                          in IE yet, but
                                                          are we even
                                                          required to do
                                                          cross browser
                                                          testing? I
                                                          think we
                                                          should, but I
                                                          can&#39;t see that
                                                          in the review
                                                          guidelines
                                                          anywhere.</span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">Anyway,


                                                          please let me
                                                          know if I&#39;m
                                                          just being too
                                                          fussy here!
                                                          (and sorry if
                                                          this has been
                                                          asked before
                                                          but I just
                                                          joined this
                                                          mailing list a
                                                          couple of days
                                                          ago)</span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">Many


                                                          thanks</span></div>
                                                          <span><font color="#888888">
                                                          <div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">Alex</span></div>
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