<div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Maybe I wasn't clear enough, let me copy+paste+make it bold ;)</font><div><font color="#333333" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div>
<div><font color="#333333" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">FYI: </font></font></font><font color="#333333" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-size:13px"><a href="http://themeshaper.com/2013/01/24/envato-license/" target="_blank">http://themeshaper.com/2013/01/24/envato-license/</a></font><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<font color="#333333" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font color="#333333" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">P.S. <b>Any questions</b>, please <b>post them on ThemeShaper instead.</b></font></div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font color="#333333" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I am just a messenger.</font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Dre Armeda <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dre@armeda.com" target="_blank">dre@armeda.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span>So awesome that the
discussion should be moved to a more appropriate channel. From what I'm
reading here, this no longer has much to do with theme review.<br>
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Dre<br>
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<a href="mailto:contact@onedesigns.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Daniel Tara</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 24, 2013
9:55 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div class="im">I dare to differ, there's a
huge difference between <a href="http://WP.org" target="_blank">WP.org</a>
directory and ThemeForest policy: the major difference is that the <a href="http://WP.org" target="_blank">WP.org</a> requirement that
submitted themes originates from the fact that themes are essentially
derivatives from WordPress itself while Envato's terms are based on,
well… nothing! They have no base for requiring a license, other than
that it's their space and they dictate the conditions.<div><br></div><div>Let
me tell you what's counter-competitive and anti-trusting about
ThemeForest: they're an almost monopoly for theme marketplaces. The only
other player that's around is Mojo Themes and there used to be
ThemeGarden a while ago and it got closed. But that's not the actual
problem, the actual problem is that their position gives them a huge
advantage and they profit from it at a maximum. An emerging developer
that hasn't an established name in the WP community and a small list of
clients has the option to sell on ThemeForest or going the risky way of
selling on his own and the risk is too big and many don't take it
because of the comfort. Were there other 10 marketplaces that were
selling GPL friendly themes they wouldn't have afforded to make such
changes to their licensing policy. There's your counter-competitive and
anti-trusting. I rest my case.</div><div><br></div><div>Daniel</div><div><br><div><br></div><br></div></div><div class="im"><div>_______________________________________________<br>theme-reviewers
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<a href="mailto:japh@envato.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Japheth Thomson</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 24, 2013
9:38 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div class="im"><div dir="ltr">Hi Daniel,<div><br></div><div>Envato don't dictate a seller's licensing options any more
than the WordPress.org theme directory does. They just have a different
licensing option, and theme authors are free to go elsewhere if they
don't like either of those environments.</div>
<div><br></div><div>You say that "By accepting
Envato's new licensing conditions, they are essentially accepting that
Envato owns their products.", however, by the same token making their
themes 100% GPL would essentially be saying that anyone owns their
products. They lose all control over their distribution.</div>
<div><br></div><div>ThemeForest does not claim to be
"an open and free" marketplace, but there's certainly nothing
counter-competitive or anti-trusting going on from Envato.</div><div><br></div>
<div>Cheers,</div><div>Japh</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div><div class="im">-- <br>Japh Thomson<br>WordPress Evangelist<br><a href="http://wp.envato.com" target="_blank">http://wp.envato.com</a><div>
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<a href="mailto:contact@onedesigns.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Daniel Tara</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 24, 2013
9:25 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div class="im">In the many years in which I
have been involved with the software development and open source
community I have never seen such utter disrespect towards the community
and ignorance towards the legal requirements of open source licenses and
such gibberish and nonsense blabbered about it. Just who exactly do
Envato think they to dictate a seller's licensing options? Only the
copyright owner has the right to decide which licese their product uses.
By accepting Envato's new licensing conditions, they are essentially
accepting that Envato owns their products. I don't care that officially
the authors are still the legal owners, just take a look at the facts:
Envato dictates prices, sales commissions and licensing terms. They're
not an open and free marketplace, they're an obese, rigid, dictatorial,
monopolist, counter-competitive and anti trusting corporation that has
only one aim: profit and uses only one weapon: market dominance. A huge
boycott should be played on them and if there are authors who really
care out there they will react to it.<div><br></div><div>Rant over.</div><div>Daniel</div><div><br><div><br></div><br></div></div><div class="im"><div>_______________________________________________<br>theme-reviewers
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<a href="mailto:emil@themeid.com" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Emil Uzelac</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 24, 2013
5:19 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div class="im"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#333333"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">all righty
good enough for me :)</font></font></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><br></div>
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<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" style="color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Chip Bennett</a></div> <div style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle">
<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">January 24, 2013
5:16 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div class="im"><div dir="ltr">Given that,
under current policy, we wouldn't approve an upsell Theme for which the
commercial version was hosted on ThemeForest: no, it doesn't really
change anything.</div><div class="gmail_extra">
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