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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13.09.2012 14:56, Edward Caissie
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:CAE5CyMi-9H=AMzDtiAvqnT41_HztFwWFw6tBHpQV1y3C_v3WiQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">To be translation ready, all "hard-coded" text strings
that are outputted to the screen should be properly addressed
under the i18n guidelines.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Sure, for i18n to work, affected text must be addressed. That's a
technicality and does not address the issue at hand. <br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAE5CyMi-9H=AMzDtiAvqnT41_HztFwWFw6tBHpQV1y3C_v3WiQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">This includes both the "public-facing" (read: text
seen by the reader); and, possibly more important, the text seen
by writer so they are provided the information on each feature /
function they are using when writing and publishing their posts,
etc.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
To think that any theme user would find the back end text being
translated to be "possibly more important" than the text his
visitors see is very unlikely to say the least. I am not sure why
you would say that.<br>
<br>
I have listed a few reasons why the back end should be officially
exempted, at least under the given circumstances, such as back end
having lots of text and images and changing, and being added to,
frequently.<br>
<br>
Having detailed, illustrated instructions in the back end adds value
for the user. Especially with customizable themes users will have to
deal with English at one point or later, be it when reading a
tutorial or asking a question in a forum. The alternative would be
to have that text on a web site somewhere. I am sure the user would
prefer to have the text in the theme back end instead. <br>
<br>
Besides that the question remains whether it is even required at
present as per guidelines, there is no indication it is. <br>
<br>
<br>
Flynn<br>
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Cais.<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Lmm Muc
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On the subject of translating front-end and/or back-end of a
theme: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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"Public-facing" seems pretty clear to me, both semantically
and in the context it is being used in the Review Guidelines
("public-facing credit link"). It obviously means the text on
the front end of a web site, the part that faces "the public",
with the public being the visitors of a site. It would be a
stretch to count the back end of a theme as "facing the
public" - in this context.<br>
<br>
The amount of text in a theme back end can be huge, even more
so if a lot of additional usage information is provided. It
would be an undue burden for translators if they had to
translate that as well in order to create a full translation
of a theme. What about illustrational graphics in the back
end? If we wanted to be really pedantic there would also have
to be localized versions of graphics that contain text. Back
end text may also change more frequently than text on the the
front end.<br>
<br>
This should be clarified in the review guidelines. A theme
should count as being "translation-ready" if all public-facing
text is localized, with "public facing" being all the text
that appears or may appear on the front end of a site.<br>
<br>
It shouldn't be mandatory to have the back end localized as
well. Perhaps there should be a second theme tag for this?<br>
<br>
Greetings<br>
Flynn<br>
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:38:00 +0800<br>
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Subject: [theme-reviewers] Translation Support<br>
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There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in the
Theme Review<br>
guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards to
Translation<br>
Support.<br>
<br>
"Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in
English."<br>
<br>
My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the
front-end (viewing<br>
the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must be localized.<br>
Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
<br>
I personally find it strange that you're not going to
translate theme<br>
options so a clarification would be great.<br>
<br>
Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases would
there be an<br>
exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
templates?<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:41:26 -0600<br>
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I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
appendage also would be<br>
"*by default*".<br>
<br>
So something like:<br>
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*Themes are required to have all public-facing (both the
front-end and<br>
back-end) text in English by default.*<br>
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There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in
the Theme Review<br>
guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards to
Translation<br>
Support.<br>
<br>
"Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in
English."<br>
<br>
My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the
front-end<br>
(viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must be
localized.<br>
Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
<br>
I personally find it strange that you're not going to
translate theme<br>
options so a clarification would be great.<br>
<br>
Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases
would there be an<br>
exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
templates?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
-----<br>
Vicky Arulsingam<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:34:18 -0500<br>
From: Emil Uzelac <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
<br>
Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end) *Theme
Options... etc..<br>
* (back-end) examples only.<br>
<br>
So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
should be in English<br>
too, but also everything else visible to the user.<br>
<br>
Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Emil<br>
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I think so, I'd wait for an admin of course. A good
appendage also would<br>
be "*by default*".<br>
<br>
So something like:<br>
<br>
*Themes are required to have all public-facing (both the
front-end and<br>
back-end) text in English by default.*<br>
<br>
<br>
Bryan Phillip Hadaway<br>
<br>
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wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
There seems to be some confusion regarding this item in
the Theme Review<br>
guidelines in one of the reviews I'm doing with regards
to Translation<br>
Support.<br>
<br>
"Themes are *required* to have all public-facing text in
English."<br>
<br>
My understanding is that all text the user sees - on the
front-end<br>
(viewing the site) and the back-end (admin pages) must
be localized.<br>
Others feel that this only refers to the front-end.<br>
<br>
I personally find it strange that you're not going to
translate theme<br>
options so a clarification would be great.<br>
<br>
Or perhaps a better discussion would be: in what cases
would there be an<br>
exception to translation e.g. dummy text in special
templates?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
-----<br>
Vicky Arulsingam<br>
<br>
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:47:48 +0800<br>
From: Vicky Arulsingam <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the user
sees"<br>
<br>
I understand that localization is optional. The situation is
the theme<br>
author is supporting translation but he has only localized
the template<br>
files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is just
the front-end.<br>
The theme options haven't been localized.<br>
<br>
I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the same
understanding :)<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
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Vicky Arulsingam<br>
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This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
<br>
Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
*Theme Options...<br>
etc..* (back-end) examples only.<br>
<br>
So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
should be in<br>
English too, but also everything else visible to the user.<br>
<br>
Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Emil<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:58:09 -0500<br>
From: Emil Uzelac <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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it's all good :)<br>
<br>
Emil<br>
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wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I agree with you - "Public facing" = "Everything the user
sees"<br>
<br>
I understand that localization is optional. The situation
is the theme<br>
author is supporting translation but he has only localized
the template<br>
files because he understands that "Public-Facing" is just
the front-end.<br>
The theme options haven't been localized.<br>
<br>
I just wanted to make sure that everyone here has the same
understanding :)<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
-----<br>
Vicky Arulsingam<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Emil Uzelac <<a
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This is actually pretty straightforward (IMO).<br>
<br>
Public-facing: *Theme Created by Author* (front-end)
*Theme Options...<br>
etc..* (back-end) examples only.<br>
<br>
So if author is including e.g. Theme Options, all that
should be in<br>
English too, but also everything else visible to the
user.<br>
<br>
Localization in this case is not a requirement :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Emil<br>
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