<font color="#333333"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Yes sir, leftover from somewhere in the middle of this and I felt that it was </font></font></font><font color="#333333" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">necessary to note that authors can choose either or, that was all :)</font><div>
<font color="#333333"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></font></font></div><div><font color="#333333"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Thanks,</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#333333"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Emil<br>
</font></font></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Bryan Hadaway <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bhadaway@gmail.com" target="_blank">bhadaway@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hey Emil,<br><br>Just to clarify, you're picking up on previous conversation of GPLv2 Vs GPLv3 and not really replying to where ravi and I just left off, yes? We branched the conversation out a bit into a different area.<div class="im HOEnZb">
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<br><br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Emil Uzelac <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emil@themeid.com" target="_blank">emil@themeid.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<font color="#333333"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Just for the record:</font></font></font><div><ul><li>Themes are <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Review#Licensing" target="_blank">required</a> to be 100% GPL-licensed, or use a GPL-compatible license. This includes all PHP, HTML, CSS, images, fonts, icons, and everything else. All of the theme must be GPL-Compatible.</li>
</ul><div><a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses" target="_blank">GPLv3</a> is 100% GPL-Compatible. It is not our decision to "force" or even recommend, heck I would not even note the ticket suggesting authors what version of GPL they should be using. GPLv2 and GPLv3 are 100% acceptable licenses. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Now for one license not being compatible with another is a different story.</div><div><br></div><div><i>P.S. This is never-ending discussion and there's no way that all of us here will agree on the same license, we're given the choice and right to use either of them.</i></div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Emil</div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Bryan Hadaway <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bhadaway@gmail.com" target="_blank">bhadaway@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'm not really sure what you're saying exactly, so I say this with the best intentions of what I believe that to be, but also talking about the issue in general. As best as I can tell, it appears that you're inferring that I've taken an anti-GPL or Public Domain Vs GPL stance on the discussion at hand, which isn't the case. Of course correct me if I'm wrong.<br>
<br>In any case I think I understand what you're trying to get at about possible risks with Public Domain, but honestly those same risks exist with any license (or no license). The bottom line is that we're not talking about anything tangible (I know, a whole other debate), code, and the attached user's rights, freedoms etc are all released in a "good faith" scenario and can all be exploited no matter how something is released, unless we get into copyright/notarized/patented territory.<br>
<br>Let's look at some black and white hypotheticals:<br><br><b>Example 1</b>: Something is released into the Public Domain. Someone takes it, copyrights and licenses it and sales it as is. They then sue the original source and claim that they in fact stole it (copyright infringement) from their product.<br>
<br><b>Example 2</b>: Something is released as a GPLed premium product. Someone takes it, publishes it as Public Domain. They then sue the original
source and claim that they in fact stole it from their free project and turned it into a premium product fraudulently privatizing and selling something that cannot legally leave the Public Domain.<br><br>Before we get into a million different possibilities/angles/gotchas/yadda yadda, let me just say that in the US, anyone can sue anyone else for anything, and I mean anything. And further more it doesn't matter what the actual truth is. The law has nothing to do with the truth. It only has to do with what can be "proven" in the eyes of the court. I've had lawyers for clients and I've talked to dozens of lawyers/firms throughout my career, and they all confirm this. Often the only thing that matters, is who has more money, period. It's a very sad reality.<br>
<br>So, when it comes to the intangible nature of a WordPress theme, anyone can take it and either slap whatever license on it they want or remove whatever licensing they want from it and redistribute it guised as the original source. And if they get cornered and don't have a very good case there's always plausible deniability. "Hey, I searched for a website template online and found this cool theme in a forum and they said it was free, so I downloaded it." And anything digital can be faked, duped so easily, and even anything that <i>IS </i>real in the digital realm could be put through the reasonable doubt ringer etc etc etc.<br>
<br>So you feel safe releasing something as GPL? Why? And I mean that only in the sense of the worst case exploitation scenario that you brought up. Theoretically, we could think of all sorts of awful things that we should both be stressed about equally, regardless of how we release our code. If we're gonna put it under the microscope with that kind of "what if" filter, we're not going to feel safe.<br>
<br>But, that's the point of it all right? We don't want to be corporate, we don't want to copyright, trademark, patent the code we release. We want people to enjoy it, use it, change it etc. Because we want to be friendly, we expose ourselves to litigious people. That's the very nature of the beast, always has been.<br>
<br>When it <i>really</i> comes right down to it, it's just a preference, even if we both in addition release our code under no warranty clauses, it's all a deterrent, not foolproof. We have to do our best to conform to our own personal ethics and hope for the best, that people are generally good, naive as that is that's our pursuit.<br>
<br>For the record, I like GPL just fine. If I had any ethical (or otherwise) problem with it I wouldn't have ever used it to begin with, I would have simply avoided the official repo. I simply prefer Public Domain. I don't think it extinguishes vulnerability to exploitation, of course not. But, that doesn't mean that the GPL or any other license in a digital product are not open to the same exploitations, though differing circumstances.<br>
<br>If I completely misunderstood what you were trying to say please clarify. Either way, I think what I've said carries a lot of important, valid points. And yes, I'd love to read the article you wrote. Knowledge is power.<div>
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<br><br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:19 PM, // ravi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ravi-lists@g8o.net" target="_blank">ravi-lists@g8o.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Correction:<br>
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On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:16 PM, // ravi <<a href="mailto:ravi-lists@g8o.net" target="_blank">ravi-lists@g8o.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> The side you are missing, IMHO, is that this idea of “pure” and “friendly” (scares not intended …<br>
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“quotes not intended”…<br>
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> as scare, but merely to note that they are borrowed from you) is open to exploitation and potentially short-lived in an evolutionary/game-theoretic sense [arguably]. I use the GPL for every bit of code that I release, and I do that without stress because I know that it is one of the strongest way to avoid the community that I am a part of from being exploited - that anyone who uses our work will share their work with us.<br>
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> I wrote a blog post about this that was picked by Matt, the last time the GPL wars came around. If you think they might be of interest, please contact me for a link.<br>
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> Regards,<br>
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</div>Apologies.<br>
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