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On 3/9/2012 2:53 PM, Joost de Valk wrote:
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<div>Let's be clear: at which point does WP ask for permission to
check for plugin/theme/core updates?<br>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Joost</div>
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On Mar 9, 2012, at 21:01, Chip Bennett <<a
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<div>The very act of pinging a third party upon activation of a
Theme - and doing so without the informed consent of the end
user - is a violation of the free-software principle that
users have the right to use software "<i>without being
required to communicate about it with the developer or any
other specific entity</i>".
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<div>The rest of your arguments still miss the fundamental
point that the issue here is not the usefulness/benefit of
the service, but rather that the <b>informed consent of the
end user</b> is paramount, and is required, both as a
matter of adherence to free software philosophy and also as
a matter of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wordpress.org">wordpress.org</a> policy.</div>
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<div>Chip<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM,
Trent Lapinski <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:trent@cyberchimps.com">trent@cyberchimps.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">For the record,
PressTrends is not a "tracker" it doesn't track users
WordPress usage, or personal information.
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<div>It simply tells you when someone activates a
theme and reports back the version number of the
activation and what version of WordPress they are
using. That's the meat of it. It does a few other
minor things, but the users aren't be "tracked", and
we aren't getting live data from the users or any
personal information.</div>
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<div>Furthermore, this information is publicly
available to begin with. By viewing the resources /
source of any WordPress install you can see the
stylesheet which contains the version number of the
theme. Which means this information is publicly
available on all WordPress websites running any
WordPress theme.</div>
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<div>Is it wrong to aggregate such information? I do
not believe so, and even Otto has stated this is
something Automattic has been looking to replicate
for <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://WordPress.org" target="_blank">WordPress.org</a>
themselves, so the "ethical" argument for
PressTrends is entirely invalid. </div>
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<div>If <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://WordPress.org" target="_blank">WordPress.org</a>
offered these same features you would all think its
the greatest thing since sliced bread, and no one
would be raising privacy concerns because there is
no private information being made available.</div>
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<div>No one is having their privacy violated,
PressTrends simply aggregates useful publicly
avaliable analytic data. That's it.</div>
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<div>On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Emil
Uzelac wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><font
color="#333333"><font><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">oh
and as far as checking if the
Theme is on warez or not is
completely useless, don't even
bother, anyone that sells them
commercially will tell you not to
waste your time, you report one
bad link, 5 more will appear in
few hours, than you report that 5,
20 more will come up shortly after
that...this is the war we can't
win, at least not for right now.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 8,
2012 at 8:30 PM, Emil Uzelac <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emil@themeid.com"
target="_blank">emil@themeid.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><font color="#333333"
face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Neither one was good
to be honest with you. GA tracks
more than just how the Theme is
being used and that isn't right.
For Adobe, Sure if you let them,
I personally don't allow
anything to go out, not even
simple report back to them when
something crashes. We all like
more details, better statistics
for greater improvement, that's
why people invented surveys,
polls etc... Most of the time
this is covered in support
forum, if they like your work,
they will tell you a) if
something goes wrong b) if
there's something that they
don't like and just another way
of communicating with users or
customers if we're talking about
commercial Themes.</font></div>
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sans-serif">Emil</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu,
Mar 8, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Daniel
Fenn <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:danielx386@gmail.com"
target="_blank">danielx386@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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So how is one suppose to
check of see if it was
downloaded from a werz<br>
site? Adobe does this all
the time. Or was it GA that
pissed then off?<br>
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On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at
9:41 AM, Emil Uzelac
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emil@themeid.com" target="_blank">emil@themeid.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Back in late 2009 I
contracted for
commercial Theme site
where they had two<br>
> forms of tracking,
one was via Google
Analytics and second one
hidden to<br>
> check if the Theme
was purchased or
downloaded from ""
sites. In matter of<br>
> months they went
from "all star" to
"where are the
customers" type of
thing.<br>
> Long story short
users don't like to be
tracked one way or
another and<br>
> honestly I don't
blame them at all.
Permission or not
"touching things that<br>
> should not be
touched" are never good
idea.<br>
><br>
> If one wants to
track and get the
general ideas where the
Themes go, simply<br>
> use your very own
GA. There are many
things you can do with
Analytics beyond<br>
> how many visitors
one have on monthly
basis. Not 100%
accurate, but it does<br>
> get close.<br>
><br>
> This is from my
marketing perspective.
Privacy is issue
everywhere nowadays<br>
> and once this leaks
to the public, your
sales will go down to
toilet, please<br>
> believe me on this.<br>
><br>
> Imagine this title
on a popular WP News
sites "Example Theme
Site Now Tracks<br>
>
User's Behavior". warez<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Emil<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012
at 3:48 PM, Bruce
Wampler <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:weavertheme@gmail.com" target="_blank">weavertheme@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> As the author
of a popular WordPress
theme, I would like to
add my strong<br>
>> agreement with
the opt-in only policy
for trackers such as
PressTrends.<br>
>><br>
>> I find Trent
Lapinski's arguments for
the harmlessness of
opt-out tracking<br>
>> self-serving
and disingenuous. Anyone
with the least bit of
understanding of<br>
>> the difference
between opt-in and
opt-out, and how that
affects user<br>
>> privacy, would
never argue for allowing
any kind of automatic or
opt-out<br>
>> tracking of any
kind in any repository
based WordPress theme.
It is simply<br>
>> the wrong thing
to do.<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe
PressTrends isn't any
different in concept or
privacy issues than<br>
>> Google's
tracking code, or even
WP stats, but both of
those are opt-in -<br>
>> they don't
happen unless the web
admin actively adds
them.<br>
>><br>
>> Personally, I
believe any sort of
tracking should require
permission from<br>
>> the visitor to
the site - but that is a
much larger battle.<br>
>><br>
>> Bruce Wampler<br>
>><br>
>>
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