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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>More than likely here or on the make site, if at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org [mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Artur<br><b>Sent:</b> 29 May 2011 22:38<br><b>To:</b> theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [theme-reviewers] Help on theme review - Did I waste my time?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Just interested, where the discussion on this matter will take place? As a theme developer I'd like to express my opinion.<br><br>On 29.05.2011 23:52, Diana K. Cury wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Thanks for reply,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I'm aware about plugin being better than theme, so users don't get theme dependent, but I though that plugins should handle very specific or advanced tasks, not content, I mean...post types is all about content isn't?! </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Thought that a subject/content driven theme could ok, since there are seasonal themes in repository.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I don't mind extract it to a plugin, I'm just upset about spent time on a theme instead a plugin because no one said that before.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" title="chip@chipbennett.net">Chip Bennett</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" title="theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, May 29, 2011 5:22 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [theme-reviewers] Help on theme review - Did I waste my time?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Of course I can disagree. My opinion is my own, and only I inform my own opinion. I claim no "authoritarian" viewpoint; I was merely clarifying a question from a ticket review. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We're right now in the process of thinking out handling of specialized Themes. It was the major topic of yesterday's meeting. It will be posted as a discussion topic on the Make site. Nothing is set in stone. Further, nobody has said anything about removing the possibility of specialized Themes in the Repository. Part of that implementation is going to be outside of the control of the Theme Review Team (see also: Child Themes), and I am 100% in favor of finding all possible means of supporting specialty/niche Themes. The vast untapped potential of WordPress lies in such Themes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But I will continue to argue the principle of separation of content *creation* and content *presentation*, and the principle of user content not being locked-in to any particular Theme.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Chip<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net">philip@frumph.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Unfortunately I disagree that you "can" disagree. This is not a position that you have authoritarian viewpoint over. The "stance" that the theme review team will remove any possibility of 'specialized' themes on the repository including mine, as well as any future themes that are contain as such; not withholding themes like the one that was on the repo for awhile that handled 'trouble tickets' if you remember that one.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Again, you are limiting the repository again and this needs to be rethought out a bit more.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-left:rgb(0, 0, 0)'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank" title="chip@chipbennett.net">Chip Bennett</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank" title="theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:55 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [theme-reviewers] Help on theme review - Did I waste my time?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I disagree. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There needs to be some assurance that the Plugin will be maintained for as long as the Theme is maintained, otherwise, the Plugin will simply be a release-one-and-forget affair. Requiring the Theme to *use* the Plugin, rather than incorporate the functionality, ensures that users will have a maintained Plugin, and will retain use/control of their data, without being locked in to any particular Theme.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Chip<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Philip M. Hofer (Frumph) <<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A plugin is just an extension of the theme to allow for usage in multi-variety themes, while content creation that is specific for an individual theme should be allowed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net" target="_blank" title="chip@chipbennett.net">Chip Bennett</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank" title="theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:42 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [theme-reviewers] Help on theme review - Did I waste my time?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>The reason for that review comment is that it is the current stance of the Theme Review Team that Theme functionality should involve *presentation* of data only, and that *creation* of content should be handled by Plugins. User data should not be subject to Theme "lock-in", but should be available to the user, regardless of what Theme is used. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The Repository/WordPress are not yet well-suited to handle "niche" Themes - though we certainly hope that both will better-accommodate such Themes in the future, given the vast potential of such Themes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As a compromise, we are currently asking that any Theme that *creates* data (such as via a Custom Post Type) port that functionality to a Plugin (approved and available in the Plugin Repository), and use/integrate the Plugin functionality. This way, if the user switches Themes, his data are still available, since such data will be handled by the Plugin.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(Note: this requirement means that the Theme should actually be *dependent* upon the Plugin, rather than making the Plugin itself part of the Theme. It ensures that the Plugin functionality is kept current with Theme development, so that users retain access to/control of their content for as long as the developer maintains the Theme - and therefore, the Plugin.)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In the case of your Theme, porting the CPT functionality to a Plugin shouldn't be more than a 5-minute (or so) process. Then, you'll just need to ensure that the Theme checks for the Plugin being active and/or the CPT being available.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Chip<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Diana K. Cury <<a href="mailto:dianakac@gmail.com" target="_blank">dianakac@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Please, someone could clarify <a href="http://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/4032">http://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/4032</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I'm not undertanding this:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Even though there are a few changes to be made I cannot approve this theme because of the implementation of custom post types which is required to be implemented as a plugin. (...)</span></em><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Where, who said that post types should be implemented only as a plugin, if so, why anyone said me tha before I re-submit the theme ten times? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Also, that stands for a built in plugin or a standalone one (submit as a plugin in Plugin Directory)?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>theme-reviewers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>theme-reviewers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>theme-reviewers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>theme-reviewers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>theme-reviewers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers" target="_blank">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>theme-reviewers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>theme-reviewers mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers">http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers</a><o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>