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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>look at the trac ticket in question, </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>"<EM><FONT face=Tahoma>Even though there are a few
changes to be made I cannot approve this theme because of the implementation of
custom post types which is required to be implemented as a
plugin"</FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>That's pretty straightforward non-acceptance right
there in a 'stance' that you call it. You obviously are saying that you're
'thinking things out' yet you make this stance in a ticket as a clear cut
and dry attitude of non-acceptance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>As reference:<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>"<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The reason
for that review comment is that it is the current stance of the Theme Review
Team that Theme functionality should involve *presentation* of data only, and
that *creation* of content should be handled by Plugins. "</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">You write
this, which is YOU making a specific writing out as speaking for the theme
review team on a stance that is still 'being thought out'.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Please, continue with what you have to say, if you
don't have anything to say please adjust the ticket on that theme because the
stance is not finalized as you put it, it's still "being thought
out".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- Phil</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV></FONT>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chip@chipbennett.net href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net">Chip
Bennett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 29, 2011 1:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [theme-reviewers] Help on
theme review - Did I waste my time?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Let me be clear: I don't speak for the Theme Review Team. I
have never claimed that I speak for the Theme Review Team.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Also: a Theme Trac ticket is not the place for "thinking [things] out".
The developer needs to be given concrete instruction.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As for decisions being passed through the "core" team: we've been
discussing this topic for some time, and the discussion continues.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As for any intent to "stifle" Theme developers: I personally consider
users' control of their own content to be far more important than any
imposition placed on Theme developers - but even so, I have absolutely no
intention to "stifle" Theme developers.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Chip<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Philip M. Hofer
(Frumph) <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:philip@frumph.net">philip@frumph.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The theme failed due to your 'thinking of
handling of a specialized theme'. and your response to said questioning was
defined and specific, not "thinking it out".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If you're going to make something 'specific'
then make it specific and in the rules until then there was no reason to
fail that theme due to them having a post type - other reason's
sure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>ComicPress AND Easel both use concepts of
'creation of content' inside of them that do *not* fit in a plugin since
it's specialized particular for the theme itself, that theme the other user
is the same way, it's a waste of plugin space and end user compliancy to go
get yet-another-plugin that will only work with a singular
theme.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As for your opinion, no; you speak for the
group when you're speaking for a group your opinions are not your
own.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I will be requesting that the theme-review team
have to have all their 'decisions' be passed through the core team in the
future towards whatever specifics are made by the theme review team.
There obviously needs some sort of checks and balances done. If
in the least passed through Otto first. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I am bringing back the original debate that was
done a long time ago where theme designers were very argumentative towards
'stiffling' the themes that are made, this is a prime example of [holding
back] the designers from creating unique and individual works.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=chip@chipbennett.net href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net"
target=_blank>Chip Bennett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org"
target=_blank>theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 29, 2011 1:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [theme-reviewers] Help
on theme review - Did I waste my time?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Of course I can disagree. My opinion is my own, and only I
inform my own opinion. I claim no "authoritarian" viewpoint; I was
merely clarifying a question from a ticket review.
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>We're right now in the process of thinking out handling of
specialized Themes. It was the major topic of yesterday's meeting. It will
be posted as a discussion topic on the Make site. Nothing is set in stone.
Further, nobody has said anything about removing the possibility of
specialized Themes in the Repository. Part of that implementation is
going to be outside of the control of the Theme Review Team (see also:
Child Themes), and I am 100% in favor of finding all possible means of
supporting specialty/niche Themes. The vast untapped potential of
WordPress lies in such Themes.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>But I will continue to argue the principle of separation of content
*creation* and content *presentation*, and the principle of user content
not being locked-in to any particular Theme.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Chip</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Philip M. Hofer
(Frumph) <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:philip@frumph.net"
target=_blank>philip@frumph.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Unfortunately I disagree that you "can"
disagree. This is not a position that you have authoritarian
viewpoint over. The "stance" that the theme review team will
remove any possibility of 'specialized' themes on the repository
including mine, as well as any future themes that are contain as such;
not withholding themes like the one that was on the repo for awhile that
handled 'trouble tickets' if you remember that one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Again, you are limiting the repository
again and this needs to be rethought out a bit more.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=chip@chipbennett.net href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net"
target=_blank>Chip Bennett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org"
target=_blank>theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:55
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [theme-reviewers]
Help on theme review - Did I waste my time?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I disagree.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>There needs to be some assurance that the Plugin will be
maintained for as long as the Theme is maintained, otherwise, the
Plugin will simply be a release-one-and-forget affair. Requiring the
Theme to *use* the Plugin, rather than incorporate the functionality,
ensures that users will have a maintained Plugin, and will retain
use/control of their data, without being locked in to any particular
Theme.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Chip<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Philip M.
Hofer (Frumph) <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:philip@frumph.net"
target=_blank>philip@frumph.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>A plugin is just an extension of the
theme to allow for usage in multi-variety themes, while content
creation that is specific for an individual theme should be
allowed.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=chip@chipbennett.net href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net"
target=_blank>Chip Bennett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org
href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org"
target=_blank>theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 29, 2011
12:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[theme-reviewers] Help on theme review - Did I waste my
time?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>The reason for that
review comment is that it is the current stance of the Theme
Review Team that Theme functionality should involve *presentation*
of data only, and that *creation* of content should be handled by
Plugins. User data should not be subject to Theme "lock-in", but
should be available to the user, regardless of what Theme is used.
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The Repository/WordPress are not yet well-suited to handle
"niche" Themes - though we certainly hope that both will
better-accommodate such Themes in the future, given the vast
potential of such Themes.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As a compromise, we are currently asking that any Theme that
*creates* data (such as via a Custom Post Type) port that
functionality to a Plugin (approved and available in the Plugin
Repository), and use/integrate the Plugin functionality. This way,
if the user switches Themes, his data are still available, since
such data will be handled by the Plugin.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>(Note: this requirement means that the Theme should actually
be *dependent* upon the Plugin, rather than making the Plugin
itself part of the Theme. It ensures that the Plugin functionality
is kept current with Theme development, so that users retain
access to/control of their content for as long as the developer
maintains the Theme - and therefore, the Plugin.)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In the case of your Theme, porting the CPT functionality to a
Plugin shouldn't be more than a 5-minute (or so) process. Then,
you'll just need to ensure that the Theme checks for the Plugin
being active and/or the CPT being available.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Chip<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Diana K.
Cury <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:dianakac@gmail.com"
target=_blank>dianakac@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>Please, someone could clarify
</FONT><A><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>http://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/4032</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>I'm not undertanding
this:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><EM><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>Even though there are a
few changes to be made I cannot approve this theme because
of the implementation of custom post types which is required
to be implemented as a plugin. (...)</FONT></EM></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>Where, who said that post types should be
implemented only as a plugin, if so, why anyone said me tha
before I re-submit the theme ten times? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>Also, that stands for a built in plugin or a
standalone one (submit as a plugin in Plugin
Directory)?</FONT></DIV>
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face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
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