Although there are a great many variations to this if one wants to take into account (standard) comments, pingback, and trackbacks (24 combinations are possible, but pingbacks and trackbacks are essentially "special" comments) there is still a case in point where there are no comments of any form which still gives reason to expect there be no "comments are closed" message on these pages.<br>
<br>No comments, comments closed, no pings/trackbacks => "comments are closed" ... no message to appear on *pages*.<br><br><br>Cais.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Justin Tadlock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:justin@justintadlock.com">justin@justintadlock.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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The reason my themes have a message is because I opened a discussion
on my forums and had real theme users make the decision. I have a
lot of opinionated users too. :) I wouldn't consider that rare or a
special use case. This was about a three-month discussion.<br>
<br>
Also, there are several scenarios for this type of thing:<br>
<br>
* No comments, comments closed, pings closed.<br>
* No comments, comments closed, pings open.<br>
* No comments, comments open, pings closed.<br>
* Has comments, comments closed, pings closed.<br>
* Has comments, comments closed, pings open.<br>
* Has comments, comments open, pings closed.<br>
<br>
I have these for posts and pages in my personal test data. I don't
think we have all of them in the theme unit test data. <br>
<br>
Having a catchall requirement (based on our opinions) doesn't really
cut it. A theme developer has a lot of options just based on that
list of how to handle comments. Many people are going to look at it
a different way and have their own opinion about the best method of
handling comments.<br>
<br>
There are some things I believe we should just leave up to the theme
developer (this being one of those things). Granted, 90% of the
themes that come rolling through don't seem to have a lot of thought
put behind them.<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 3/1/2011 7:56 PM, Edward Caissie wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">The no "comments are closed" message is a legacy item
that may need to be reviewed. Although I agree with its current
implementation regarding pages I would be open to a compelling
argument to allow for special use cases; but, again, the Theme
repository is not a destination for rare use-case themes but one
for themes that are designed to meet a great many users needs and
wants and essentially a more or less generic use-case fashion.<br>
<br>
<br>
Cais.<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Justin
Tadlock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:justin@justintadlock.com" target="_blank">justin@justintadlock.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Actually, I would argue
that this message should be displayed if pings are open:<br>
<br>
"Comments are closed but trackbacks and pingbacks are open."<br>
<br>
I would never say a theme couldn't have that. Even my
themes show a message similar to that. And, this was a
decision made by my theme users, not me.<br>
<br>
Personally, I don't even check for a "comments are closed"
message at all in my reviews. I consider that a theme
developer's choice, even if I don't like the message sitting
there on pages.
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On 3/1/2011 4:49 PM, Chip Bennett wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Correct. Pages shouldn't display
any sort of notice regarding comments, if comments are
closed. Primarily, this is to facilitate Page-based
sites that use WordPress, for which references to
comments on Pages would be undesirable.
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<div>Chip<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:47
PM, Daniel Tara <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:contact@onedesigns.com" target="_blank">contact@onedesigns.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">None.
Static pages must not display any
notices when comments are closed.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Daniel</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers-bounces@lists.wordpress.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Ambartsumov<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 02, 2011
12:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [theme-reviewers]
Comments are closed on pages</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">which of the
following can be displayed on pages
with closed comments:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Responses
are currently closed, but you
can trackback from your own
site.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Comments are
closed.</p>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I belive 2nd
one cant be displayed, but first
one?</p>
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