<div>Fair enough, html5 will break validation but if it works shouldn't disqualify a theme. </div>
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<br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: theme-reviewers Digest, Vol 7, Issue 49. Validation and<br> errors in the test data (internet pers)<br> 2. Re: Error in the test data? (Mike Little)<br> 3. Re: Error in the test data? (Furcifer)<br>
4. Re: Error in the test data? (Curtis McHale)<br> 5. Re: Error in the test data? (Chip Bennett)<br><br><br>---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ----------<br>From: internet pers <<a href="mailto:internet.pers@gmail.com">internet.pers@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:11:46 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] theme-reviewers Digest, Vol 7, Issue 49. Validation and errors in the test data<br>
<div>Yet we are supposed to write valid xhtml, this means closing them tags! HTML 5 is very nice but not supported yet. So we use validation as a tool nothing more to find those typo's and whatever. But the testdata should be good no matter what, does it hurt to put in that slash and help thoose developpers with one error less...</div>
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<div>The same goes for the embedded, the test link is pointing to removed material (copyrighted stuff) futher more embed is not in the standard, again the work arround is easy.</div>
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<div>It will help themebuilders in bughunting, when building for clients these errors and not validating will bring lots of trouble. It's pretty difficult to build a working theme. A clean test set that validates is the least we can do, people are judged by it... </div>
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<div>John</div>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"><br>---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ----------<br>From: internet pers <<a href="mailto:internet.pers@gmail.com" target="_blank">internet.pers@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 02:17:21 +0100<br>Subject: [theme-reviewers] Error in the test data?<br>
<div><img width="329" height="222" alt="test-image-landscape-900" class="alignnone size-full" src="<a href="http://wpthemetestdata.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/test-image-landscape-900.jpg" target="_blank">http://wpthemetestdata.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/test-image-landscape-900.jpg</a>"></div>
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<div>The image tag must be closed! </div>
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<div>Found in a freshly downloaded import file, please check, it will fix validation errors. Also the embedded stuff has to be cleaned.</div>
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<div><font face="Courier New"><object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="myFlashMovie.swf" height="250" width="800"><param name="movie" value="myFlashMovie.swf" /></object></font></div>
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<div><font face="Courier New">Perhaps this is a good option. I found this on <a href="http://wordpress.jdwebdev.com/blog/embed-xhtml-compliant-flash/" target="_blank">http://wordpress.jdwebdev.com/blog/embed-xhtml-compliant-flash/</a>.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Courier New">It will remove a ton of errors...</font></div>
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<div><font face="Courier New">John</font></div>
<div><font face="Courier New"></font> </div><br><br>---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ----------<br>From: Otto <<a href="mailto:otto@ottodestruct.com" target="_blank">otto@ottodestruct.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:28:28 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Error in the test data?<br>On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:17 PM, internet pers <<a href="mailto:internet.pers@gmail.com" target="_blank">internet.pers@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <img width="329" height="222" alt="test-image-landscape-900"<br>> class="alignnone size-full"<br>> src="<a href="http://wpthemetestdata.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/test-image-landscape-900.jpg" target="_blank">http://wpthemetestdata.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/test-image-landscape-900.jpg</a>"><br>
><br>> The image tag must be closed!<br><br>HTML 5 does not require that. Just an FYI, but XHTML is beating a dead<br>horse at this point. I would not consider validation to be, well,<br>valid anymore.<br><br>-Otto<br>
<br><br><br>---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ----------<br>From: "Philip M. Hofer \(Frumph\)" <<a href="mailto:philip@frumph.net" target="_blank">philip@frumph.net</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a>><br>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:36:02 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Error in the test data?<br>Completely agree; not even worth an effort to care about validation, just the 'look' on how the end result is as it appears on the site.<br>
<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: "Otto" <<a href="mailto:otto@ottodestruct.com" target="_blank">otto@ottodestruct.com</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a>><br>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 5:28 PM<br>Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Error in the test data?<br><br><br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:17 PM, internet pers <<a href="mailto:internet.pers@gmail.com" target="_blank">internet.pers@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"><img width="329" height="222" alt="test-image-landscape-900"<br>class="alignnone size-full"<br>
src="<a href="http://wpthemetestdata.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/test-image-landscape-900.jpg" target="_blank">http://wpthemetestdata.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/test-image-landscape-900.jpg</a>"><br><br>The image tag must be closed!<br>
</blockquote><br>HTML 5 does not require that. Just an FYI, but XHTML is beating a dead<br>horse at this point. I would not consider validation to be, well,<br>valid anymore.<br><br>-Otto<br>_______________________________________________<br>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:27:04 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Error in the test data?<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 December 2010 01:28, Otto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:otto@ottodestruct.com" target="_blank">otto@ottodestruct.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><br></div>HTML 5 does not require that. Just an FYI, but XHTML is beating a dead<br>horse at this point. I would not consider validation to be, well,<br>valid anymore.<br><font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote>
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<div>I completely disagree. </div>
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<div>Javascript works a lot better with valid HMTL, so does CSS. By which I mean some invalid HMTL will break both CSS styling and JavaScript functionality. So to dismiss validation as worthless ("not valid any more") is ill advised.</div>
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<div>Also, HTML 5 is *not yet supported* across the board, and will not be for quite a while. XHTML is not dead, it *is supported* by all the newest browsers in their 'best' mode (not quirks).</div>
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<div>Mike</div>
<div>-- </div></div>Mike Little<br><a href="http://zed1.com/" target="_blank">http://zed1.com/</a><br><br><br><br>---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ----------<br>From: Furcifer <<a href="mailto:furcifer@furcifer.net">furcifer@furcifer.net</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a>><br>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:38:10 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Error in the test data?<br>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">I think what they meant is that as long as the theme's pass all the tests, look fine and work fine in all browsers, then a few validation errors are nothing to worry about, I'm inclined to believe the same.<br>
<br>Jay<br><br>Mobile, Wolf Is Mobile.<br>"Save yourself a penny for the ferryman, save yourself and let them suffer." <br><br><a href="http://furcifer.net/" target="_blank">http://furcifer.net</a><br></span><br>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">Mike Little <<a href="mailto:wordpress@zed1.com" target="_blank">wordpress@zed1.com</a>></span><br>
<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">Monday, December 20, 2010 1:27 PM</span><br><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal"><a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org" target="_blank">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a></span><br>
<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">Re: [theme-reviewers] Error in the test data?</span><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 December 2010 01:28, Otto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:otto@ottodestruct.com" target="_blank">otto@ottodestruct.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><br></div>HTML 5 does not require that. Just an FYI, but XHTML is beating a dead<br>horse at this point. I would not consider validation to be, well,<br>valid anymore.<br><font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote>
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<div>I completely disagree. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Javascript works a lot better with valid HMTL, so does CSS. By which I mean some invalid HMTL will break both CSS styling and JavaScript functionality. So to dismiss validation as worthless ("not valid any more") is ill advised.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Also, HTML 5 is *not yet supported* across the board, and will not be for quite a while. XHTML is not dead, it *is supported* by all the newest browsers in their 'best' mode (not quirks).</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Mike</div>
<div>-- </div></div>Mike Little<br><a href="http://zed1.com/" target="_blank">http://zed1.com/</a><br><br></div><br><br>---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ----------<br>From: Curtis McHale <<a href="mailto:curtis@curtismchale.ca">curtis@curtismchale.ca</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:19:58 -0500<br>Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Error in the test data?<br>
<p></p>Pragmatic validation is the correct way to do it IMO. Failing something for a vendor prefix would be silly so I never worry about validation fails on that count. Again if a theme works and has HTML5 elements then I wouldn't see that there is any reason to fail it.<br>
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<div>-- <br>Curtis McHale
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<div><a href="http://twitter.com/curtismchale" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/curtismchale</a></div></div></div><br><br>---------- Doorgestuurd bericht ----------<br>From: Chip Bennett <<a href="mailto:chip@chipbennett.net">chip@chipbennett.net</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org">theme-reviewers@lists.wordpress.org</a><br>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:22:16 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] Error in the test data?<br>The guidelines make an <b>explicit exception</b> for vendor prefixes. Just FYI...
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<div>Chip<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Curtis McHale <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:curtis@curtismchale.ca" target="_blank">curtis@curtismchale.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p></p>Pragmatic validation is the correct way to do it IMO. Failing something for a vendor prefix would be silly so I never worry about validation fails on that count. Again if a theme works and has HTML5 elements then I wouldn't see that there is any reason to fail it.<br>
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<div>-- <br><font color="#888888">Curtis McHale
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