[theme-reviewers] Why can't theme authors have a second version of a theme?

Sun Sep 28 21:17:36 UTC 2014

Reference: https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/20784

 Now, if you want to keep the name, add a description instead of II and
> let's move on.
> Otto mentioned "Responsive Grid" or "Responsive Whatever Description"

@emil @otto
So, to clarify, can I release my new themes with any of these names now:
Responsively
Responsivity
Responsive Grand
Responsive Layout
Responsive Grid

Unless cyberchimp legally trademarks 'Responsive', and since wordpress.org
now allows it, I guess I am clear to use these theme names?

Just wanted to clarify before I pick any of these names for my new theme.

thanks,
Tina

  It’s important now to respect the group mail and avoid trolling at this
> point.
>
> What we be will be.
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>  *From:* Tina Ach <t4324acharya at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:46 AM
> *To:* Discussion list for WordPress theme reviewers.
> <theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [theme-reviewers] Why can't theme authors have a second
> version of a theme?
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>
>> David Chandra <david at shellcreeper.com> wrote:
>>
>> and don't worry if anyone else decide to submit the name "Responsive
>> Mobile". I got several other name:
>> "Responsive Z", "Responsive XYZ", or maybe "Responsive 101".
>>
> @david, Let team up together, call ourselves "InternetMonkeys", and start
> releasing themes like Responze and Responsivity. Since clearly we are
> "allowed" to do that, and we wont be breaking any rules.
>
> I am sure Trent will again spark a 100 email long discussion, yelling that
> our themes be removed from the repository... Lol!!
>
> Tina :)
>
> Tina Ach <t4324acharya at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Coming down to the actual naming issue, there is a reason why this rule
>> exists. Even if you are the only one allowed to use the name "Responsive
>> WHATEVER", I can still come up with a bunch of names that will skirt around
>> this rule.
>>
>> Responsivity
>> Responsively
>> Responze
>> Responsivulous
>> Responsorama
>> Responsorati
>>
>> None of these names fringe your "assumed" trademark. Who decides where to
>> draw a line here?
>>
>> Can of worms? Yes, indeed......
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> And just to be clear, NO-ONE, I repeat, NO-ONE is policing your "right to
>> name your theme". Name it Responsive-2 , AS LONG AS ITS NOT HOSTED ON
>> WORDPRESS.ORG
>>
>> You have the right and the freedom to name it ANYTHING, but we as a
>> community have the right to allow/disallow whats done on wordpress.org
>> (+1 to Bryan for mentioning that). And yes, the admins here have been given
>> the right to make decisions based on what THEY think is best for the
>> community. They listen to the community and make (and often change) rules
>> for what goes and what doesnt.
>>
>>
>>> Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com> wrote:
>>
>> Apple, Samsung, Microsoft, and dozens of Fortune 500 companies use names
>>> and numbers for products. Salesforce's latest development platform is
>>> called Salesforce1.
>>
>> Yes, and you cal call it Responsive 2, as long as you host it on your own
>> site like all these other companies do... DUH!!!
>>
>>
>>> Trent Lapinski <trent at cyberchimps.com> wrote:
>>
>> Actually they are absolutely are refusing to allow us to use the name
>>> Responsive II. That's how this all got started. They stopped our review and
>>> told us we can't use the name.
>>
>> NO THEY ARENT. They are just asking you that IF you want it hosted on
>> wporg, then either remove earlier theme, or rename the new one. You can do
>> whatever you want on your own site, just not on wordpress.org
>>
>>
>>> Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>
>> Have you realized that you are the only one that does this?
>>
>>
>> And if you read the entire discussion, you will realize that everyone who
>> took part has sided with the admins. Only ones opposing them are you, Bryan
>> and Brad - the 3 people with vested  interests. No neutral entity has sided
>> with your side of the argument.
>>
>> You can yell the loudest that this is bureaucracy, politics, injustice or
>> what not, but it seems you are the only one saying that, and the community
>> doesnt believe you.
>>
>> So stop being a rebel and behaving like a victim
>>
>> Tina
>>
>>
>>
>>  Bryan, kudos to you for conducting yourself in a dignified and
>>> "respectful" manner.
>>>
>>> I am afraid I cant say the same about Trent. Call it condescending or
>>> disrespectful, your conduct has been shameful. And yes, you have behaved
>>> like a whiny lil girl who wont stop screaming till she gets her ice cream.
>>>
>>> We are all intelligent adults here, so lets not mince words.
>>> 'Responsive' is a great keyword that a lot of people search for. You got
>>> this *generic* theme name a long time ago (I dont think this name would
>>> have been allowed had you released it today).
>>>
>>> Now before you jump on your bandwagon, let me say this, and I hope you
>>> pay attention: I personally think its great for you that you got this
>>> generic keyword theme name. We all run businesses at the end of the day,
>>> and OPEN SOURCE IS NOT ANTI-COMMERCIAL. We all have to pay bills, and I get
>>> that. But please atleast have the dignity to acknowledge that the reason
>>> for sticking to the 'responsive' name is A LOT MORE THAN SIMPLE BRANDING
>>> ISSUE.
>>> It is more profitable for you to keep that name. Dead and simple (And
>>> there is no shame in that btw. EARNING MONEY IS GOOD...)
>>>
>>>  and don't worry if anyone else decide to submit the name "Responsive
>>>> Mobile". I got several other name:
>>>> "Responsive Z", "Responsive XYZ", or maybe "Responsive 101".
>>>>
>>>> if Cyberchimp can use the name "Responsive X" or "Responsive..." then
>>>> anyone should be able to do the same, right?
>>>> because theme author/owner can transfer theme to other person/user.
>>>> that means there should not be a special case to a company/user.
>>>> because a week later(read: arbitrary time) the can decide to sell the
>>>> theme and the name to someone else.
>>>> (like in Responsive).
>>>>
>>>> note:
>>>> I think this is the "can of worms" otto mention in email.
>>>>
>>>> -- David.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 28, 2014 1:10 PM, "David Chandra" <david at shellcreeper.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> then, I can take the name "Responsive Mobile", right(?)
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you!
>>>>> I'll build the theme today.
>>>>> and I'll submit it  maybe tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2014 8:12 AM, "Bryan Hadaway" <bhadaway at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Okay, thank you everyone who participated in debating the issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll come up with a new name "Responsive X" - "X" representing a
>>>>>> word that doesn't conflict with the current naming scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can consider the issue resolved and closed, at least for our
>>>>>> specific ticket.
>>>>>>
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