[theme-reviewers] Theme Names (Kenya)
Kenya Sullivan
kenya at papernpen.com
Thu Jun 26 21:34:19 UTC 2014
"Policing" Theme Names is not a go idea, because it is ambiguous. Is A theme named Solar the same as a theme name Solar Panel, it's a matter of opinion. Ambiguity when establishing standards is not a good idea. I think Chips' approach is best. Unless it's a direct name duplication.
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> 1. Re: Theme Names (Emil Uzelac)
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> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:12:41 -0500
> From: Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
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> I don't think that protection is at stake or in question. Confusion is!
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>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think Chip's opinion/decision on make blog about using generic names at
>> your own risk is best way forward, If you want protection don't use generic
>> names.
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's just not become this:
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=themeforest+html5
>>>
>>> The only way we won't have any conflicts is to "enforce" no similar names
>>> period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Catch Themes <info at catchthemes.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The best will be, like @Emil said. First come first basis. For any new
>>>> themes they shouldn't not be allowed to chose the existing theme names.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If the end goal is to "avoid...conflicts", then a rule such as "no
>>>>> dictionary words" is the equivalent of using a nuclear warhead to swat a
>>>>> fly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Saying that non-English dictionary words would sound "made up" and
>>>>> would result in few conflicts is a rather Anglocentric view. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We can't do anything about existing themes, we should try and avoid
>>>>>> these conflicts in future if we can.
>>>>>> I was thinking of only English dictionary, other language words will
>>>>>> sound made up and will result in few conflicts if any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But my point is that such a guideline is demonstrably implausible,
>>>>>>> because, if applied to the current set of hosted Themes, would result in
>>>>>>> almost every single one failing. Thus, the likelihood of *future* Themes
>>>>>>> failing the Guideline would be expected to be commensurate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also: what dictionary? Just English dictionaries? What about
>>>>>>> dictionaries of other languages? What about dead languages?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not with retrospective effect ofcourse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...which would eliminate about 99% of the Themes in the directory?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no dictionary words?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Chip Bennett <
>>>>>>>>>> chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Back to my previous question: what would you suggest as the
>>>>>>>>>>> objective, enforceable guideline for Theme names?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Catch Themes <
>>>>>>>>>>> info at catchthemes.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of theme shop use common names like Box, Responsive,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome and so on. So, this means we can play with theses name by adding
>>>>>>>>>>>> word before or after.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Otto, I agree with you that Box is common name and I am just
>>>>>>>>>>>> asking this question so that we are clear about the naming rules. This will
>>>>>>>>>>>> help me in further Theme Reviews as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all for your reply. I hope we will have clear
>>>>>>>>>>>> guideline in this soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Catch Themes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> info at catchthemes.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the matter of choices of theme name and manipulation. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel The Box is so much manipulating Catch Box name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can definitively show that to be true, then you have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, however, I don't see what your evidence for this could possibly be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're reacting based just on the similarity of the name,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then I have to point out that "Box" is a pretty normal and commonplace
>>>>>>>>>>>>> English word, popular even in movies:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://youtu.be/0cmqwbZa6_w
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, other than the name being similar, how is it "manipulating"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything? Is it using the same code? Is it a derivative of the other Box
>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme? Is there *anything else in common at all* other than the name and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fact that they're both, you know, themes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The name may not be a good choice, but this is not really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of anything other than both parties lack of creativity in naming
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Otto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:14:49 -0500
> From: Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me>
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>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>
>> It's really Otto's opinion; I just happen to agree with it. :)
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Chip's opinion/decision on make blog about using generic names at
>>> your own risk is best way forward, If you want protection don't use generic
>>> names.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Emil Uzelac <emil at uzelac.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Let's just not become this:
>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=themeforest+html5
>>>>
>>>> The only way we won't have any conflicts is to "enforce" no similar
>>>> names period.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Catch Themes <info at catchthemes.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The best will be, like @Emil said. First come first basis. For any new
>>>>> themes they shouldn't not be allowed to chose the existing theme names.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the end goal is to "avoid...conflicts", then a rule such as "no
>>>>>> dictionary words" is the equivalent of using a nuclear warhead to swat a
>>>>>> fly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saying that non-English dictionary words would sound "made up" and
>>>>>> would result in few conflicts is a rather Anglocentric view. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can't do anything about existing themes, we should try and avoid
>>>>>>> these conflicts in future if we can.
>>>>>>> I was thinking of only English dictionary, other language words will
>>>>>>> sound made up and will result in few conflicts if any.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But my point is that such a guideline is demonstrably implausible,
>>>>>>>> because, if applied to the current set of hosted Themes, would result in
>>>>>>>> almost every single one failing. Thus, the likelihood of *future* Themes
>>>>>>>> failing the Guideline would be expected to be commensurate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also: what dictionary? Just English dictionaries? What about
>>>>>>>> dictionaries of other languages? What about dead languages?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not with retrospective effect ofcourse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Chip Bennett <
>>>>>>>>> chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...which would eliminate about 99% of the Themes in the directory?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Srikanth Koneru <tskk79 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no dictionary words?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Chip Bennett <
>>>>>>>>>>> chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to my previous question: what would you suggest as the
>>>>>>>>>>>> objective, enforceable guideline for Theme names?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Catch Themes <
>>>>>>>>>>>> info at catchthemes.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of theme shop use common names like Box, Responsive,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome and so on. So, this means we can play with theses name by adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> word before or after.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Otto, I agree with you that Box is common name and I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just asking this question so that we are clear about the naming rules. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will help me in further Theme Reviews as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all for your reply. I hope we will have clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guideline in this soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Catch Themes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> info at catchthemes.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the matter of choices of theme name and manipulation. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel The Box is so much manipulating Catch Box name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can definitively show that to be true, then you have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, however, I don't see what your evidence for this could possibly be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're reacting based just on the similarity of the name,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then I have to point out that "Box" is a pretty normal and commonplace
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> English word, popular even in movies:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://youtu.be/0cmqwbZa6_w
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, other than the name being similar, how is it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "manipulating" anything? Is it using the same code? Is it a derivative of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other Box theme? Is there *anything else in common at all* other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the name and the fact that they're both, you know, themes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The name may not be a good choice, but this is not really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of anything other than both parties lack of creativity in naming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Otto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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