[theme-reviewers] theme-reviewers Digest, Vol 20, Issue 60
Chandra Maharzan
maharzan at gmail.com
Fri Jan 27 15:59:19 UTC 2012
ok.. thats clear. Thanks for clarifying. :)
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
> Just to clarify: WPORG is *NOT* part of Automattic. They are entirely
> separate entities.
>
> The WordPress project is under the direction/control/ownership of the
> non-profit WordPress Foundation. Automattic is a commercial venture that
> owns, among other things, WordPress.com. The primary connection between the
> two is, of course, Matt Mullenweg; but they are, in fact, entirely separate.
>
> If Automattic really wanted to "invest" in the Theme Review Team, I would
> suggest having their "Theme Wranglers" pitching in to perform Theme reviews.
> :)
>
> Chip
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Chandra Maharzan <maharzan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Cool.. I am just pitching to see if money incentives would work for
>> both reviewers and in turn to designers who wait 2 or 3 months to get
>> reviewed (which is frustrating, of course as you know). I don't blame
>> anyone as its a free thing. I thought .org being a part of Automattic
>> (correct me if I am wrong) could just "invest" a bit so we really get
>> great themes on the .org as well (not saying it doesn't have). But as
>> you said, if this is purely free thing, I take it all back. :-)
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Nitin Reddy <k_nitin_r at yahoo.co.in>
>> wrote:
>> > Chandra Maharzan,
>> >
>> > It is not only the theme authors but also the theme reviewers who get
>> > discouraged at times. I reviewed the theme listed on my first ticket and
>> > should have been able to assign myself to another ticket (new version of
>> > the
>> > theme). However, there was a problem with my Trac account and I'm not
>> > able
>> > to assign the ticket for the new (fixed) version of the theme to myself
>> > or
>> > close the original ticket so both the theme author and I are looking at
>> > our
>> > spent efforts yielding no fruit for the community.
>> >
>> > I did try posting to the mailing list and contact some of the folks
>> > associated with the WP theme repository, but I didn't get any help yet.
>> > At
>> > this point, Emil sees my user account listed as a theme reviewer account
>> > (or
>> > something along those lines), my account doesn't let me assign the
>> > ticket to
>> > myself or close the old ticket, and the theme author is awaiting the
>> > approval after having made the fixes to his/her theme.
>> >
>> > The problem is not about volunteers lacking dedication - many, if not
>> > most,
>> > are dedicated to helping out the community. The problem is about not
>> > being
>> > able to help the volunteers when the process or system (Trac, in my
>> > case)
>> > breaks down. I can review at least 3 themes a week. That works out to
>> > about
>> > 14 themes in a month. With 10 volunteers, we can have 140 themes
>> > reviewed in
>> > a month!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Nitin Reddy
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: "theme-reviewers-request at lists.wordpress.org"
>> > <theme-reviewers-request at lists.wordpress.org>
>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:11 PM
>> > Subject: theme-reviewers Digest, Vol 20, Issue 60
>> >
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>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> > 1. Re: splitting reviewers between queues (Chandra Maharzan)
>> > 2. Re: splitting reviewers between queues (Simon Prosser)
>> > 3. Re: splitting reviewers between queues
>> > (Rankin, Matthew W. (Student))
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:26:31 +0545
>> > From: Chandra Maharzan <maharzan at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <CABNJqLf9Zx12t+VSH2TkQ5NJMko2sPvR0VR2O+iyLx92F9GYzA at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> >
>> > I haven't reviewed any themes but I do think this volunteer thing
>> > might need to go at some point. Have a dedicated team who reviews
>> > themes and they get incentives on each theme or something. Otherwise
>> > like a person said above, people are discouraged. I was when I
>> > submitted a theme about a year ago and it was reviewed in a long time
>> > and the same thing is happening now. And I have 2 themes in the repo,
>> > pretty popular ones. I am sure many designers feel like me.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Phenomenoodle | Taryn Wallis
>> > <taryn at phenomenoodle.com> wrote:
>> >> Up until about 5 years ago (when I transitioned into web design
>> >> full-time)
>> >> I
>> >> was an Organizational Psychologist - things like badges work well as a
>> >> motivational tool for some types of people, and absolutely not for
>> >> others.
>> >> I'm one of the others :)
>> >>
>> >> If there was a badge, I might consider putting it on my site, but it
>> >> would
>> >> have zero impact from an incentive point of view. I'm far more
>> >> internally
>> >> motivated, so external things like badges (or certificates etc) have no
>> >> real
>> >> meaning to me. In terms of theme reviews, I contribute because it
>> >> allows
>> >> me
>> >> to give back to the community and to also learn from the experience -
>> >> if
>> >> I'm
>> >> not able to do reviews, it's not because of lack of motivation, but
>> >> simply
>> >> a
>> >> lack of time :(
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________
>> >> Taryn Wallis
>> >> Phenomenoodle
>> >> WordPress design & development
>> >> www.phenomenoodle.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Netzberufler
>> >> <netzberufler at googlemail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I find Badges are a great idea. They should also be included into the
>> >>> WordPress Profile Pages. http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/ or
>> >>> http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/profile/ . BTW why are there
>> >>> different
>> >>> profile pages on wordpress.org?
>> >>>
>> >>> I currently don't review themes cause of my exams but I will begin
>> >>> reviewing again in 2 weeks ;)
>> >>>
>> >>> 2012/1/26 Rankin, Matthew W. (Student) <mrankin at my.ccsu.edu>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Not directly related to this email thread but seems like a good place
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> post it. I was thinking about why there aren't more volunteer
>> >>>> reviewers
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> why many are slow to review themes. I think it may be because it
>> >>>> lacks
>> >>>> incentive. So, I had an idea which may attract more reviewers and
>> >>>> increase
>> >>>> productivity among current reviewers. My idea is to create a
>> >>>> WordPress
>> >>>> badge. Theme reviewers can post this badge on their own websites to
>> >>>> say
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> they contribute to WordPress. You could even create different levels
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> badges so as you review more themes you get higher level badges. It's
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> simple idea which has proven effective on many websites around the
>> >>>> web.
>> >>>> What
>> >>>> does everyone else think of this idea?
>> >>>> ________________________________
>> >>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Rankin,
>> >>>> Matthew
>> >>>> W. (Student) [mrankin at my.ccsu.edu]
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:49 PM
>> >>>>
>> >>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'll do my best to follow your lead Chip. I've just been so busy
>> >>>> lately
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> haven't had time to do many reviews. But I should be able to fit in
>> >>>> one
>> >>>> theme a day.
>> >>>> ________________________________
>> >>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Chip
>> >>>> Bennett
>> >>>> [chip at chipbennett.net]
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:31 PM
>> >>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't think a paradigm shift is necessary (or helpful) at this
>> >>>> point.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The bottom line is: about 10 tickets per day are submitted. Thus, we
>> >>>> need
>> >>>> about 10 tickets per day reviewed and closed, in order to keep up
>> >>>> with
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> submission rate. We are approaching 100 people who have reviewed
>> >>>> Themes.
>> >>>> If
>> >>>> every person with ticket privileges reviewed two tickets, we would
>> >>>> exhaust
>> >>>> the current queue entirely.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've tried to push in the past to get reviewers to consider
>> >>>> committing
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> a certain minimum level of participation, but as you've noted: it's
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> practical. We ARE all volunteers, and all have extremely busy
>> >>>> schedules.
>> >>>> (I
>> >>>> last saw a "40-hour work week" sometime last summer.) Efforts to get
>> >>>> such
>> >>>> commitments inevitably have the opposite effect, as IMX they have
>> >>>> only
>> >>>> driven volunteers AWAY from contributing their time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That said: I'll do my best to lead by example. I will commit to
>> >>>> reviewing
>> >>>> one Theme per day, every day.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Chip
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Edward Caissie
>> >>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Although it shouldn't need to be written, but once again it appears
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> reminder appears to be needed ...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To the best of my knowledge, every member of the current Theme
>> >>>>> Review
>> >>>>> Team is a volunteer. Every member also has a "full work load" with
>> >>>>> many
>> >>>>> simply unable to devote any time to this volunteer activity during
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> scheduled time. Many of the volunteers have other additional
>> >>>>> WordPress
>> >>>>> related activities that add to their typical "40-hour week" work
>> >>>>> load.
>> >>>>> We
>> >>>>> all have lives, too ... so, quite simply, we give what time we can
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> look
>> >>>>> to the community to contribute some of their time. Wait times, as
>> >>>>> noted
>> >>>>> many
>> >>>>> times, are inversely proportional to the amount of volunteer
>> >>>>> reviewers
>> >>>>> available to do the work.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We can appreciate the wait time is long and frustrating. This is not
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> only time this topic has been discussed, these are not the only
>> >>>>> ideas
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> have been considered. Unfortunately until their is perhaps a
>> >>>>> paradigm
>> >>>>> shift
>> >>>>> in regards to the WPTRT we may simply be forced to continue to
>> >>>>> endure
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> forge ahead under these conditions.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cais.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Wampler
>> >>>>> <weavertheme at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I would like to add my perspective on the review process.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have been submitting one theme - with revisions and slight name
>> >>>>>> modifications - for almost two years now - starting with 2010
>> >>>>>> Weaver,
>> >>>>>> changed to simply Weaver, and now Weaver II.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Because Weaver II is a name change, and represents a total rewrite
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>> Weaver, it has been in the Priority Queue for almost 3 months now.
>> >>>>>> I've just
>> >>>>>> been sitting here waiting my turn.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> But seriously - three months for new themes? The past week, the
>> >>>>>> review
>> >>>>>> rate has been only one new theme reviewed.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> It is important to keep existing themes up to date - but to
>> >>>>>> essentially
>> >>>>>> have the new theme approval rate one a week will do nothing to
>> >>>>>> encourage
>> >>>>>> authors to submit new themes.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I had good reasons to change from Weaver to Weaver II, and perhaps
>> >>>>>> should have requested it be treated as a revision of the existing
>> >>>>>> approved
>> >>>>>> theme. But I don know if I knew three months ago, that I likely
>> >>>>>> would
>> >>>>>> have
>> >>>>>> done things differently, including the possibility of simply
>> >>>>>> abandoning the
>> >>>>>> WP theme repository.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> But Weaver II represents a cutting edge theme/framework that has
>> >>>>>> (or
>> >>>>>> had three months ago) really new features, including what I think
>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>> likely
>> >>>>>> the best mobile support of any WP theme. It is really frustrating
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> see it
>> >>>>>> languish in the queue.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I just think a almost three month wait is excessive, and will
>> >>>>>> seriously
>> >>>>>> discourage developers from developing and submitting new themes.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The discussion of new 3.4 features seems almost silly since if the
>> >>>>>> new
>> >>>>>> queue theme stays at several months, it is likely that there won't
>> >>>>>> be
>> >>>>>> any
>> >>>>>> new themes.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I believe is really important to keep fresh, new themes with
>> >>>>>> cutting
>> >>>>>> edge features coming in for the future health of WordPress.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Just some thoughts. I believe something needs to be done. I'd
>> >>>>>> volunteer
>> >>>>>> to review some themes, but I have serious ethical concerns about
>> >>>>>> that,
>> >>>>>> as
>> >>>>>> well as a full work load supporting my theme which has become very
>> >>>>>> popular
>> >>>>>> on its own while waiting on the queue.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Bruce Wampler
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
>> >>>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
>> >>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
>> >>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> theme-reviewers mailing list
>> >>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> theme-reviewers mailing list
>> >> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > cmans
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:09:37 +0000
>> > From: Simon Prosser <pross at pross.org.uk>
>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <CAKwUDf0hydH4Pzj2gQ3Yq6o+TTo_Rk0eWnVjPSXKD1C9Wz0oNg at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> >
>> > What incentives? wordpress.org is a free organization and the theme
>> > team volunteer the time to review themes in their spare time.
>> > They all have regular jobs and lives as well.
>> >
>> > On 27 January 2012 13:41, Chandra Maharzan <maharzan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I haven't reviewed any themes but I do think ?this volunteer thing
>> >> might need to go at some point. Have a dedicated team who reviews
>> >> themes and they get incentives on each theme or something. Otherwise
>> >> like a person said above, people are discouraged. I was when I
>> >> submitted a theme about a year ago and it was reviewed in a long time
>> >> and the same thing is happening now. And I have 2 themes in the repo,
>> >> pretty popular ones. I am sure many designers feel like me.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Phenomenoodle | Taryn Wallis
>> >> <taryn at phenomenoodle.com> wrote:
>> >>> Up until about 5 years ago (when I transitioned into web design
>> >>> full-time) I
>> >>> was an Organizational Psychologist - things like badges work well as a
>> >>> motivational tool for some types of people, and absolutely not for
>> >>> others.
>> >>> I'm one of the others :)
>> >>>
>> >>> If there was a badge, I might consider putting it on my site, but it
>> >>> would
>> >>> have zero impact from an incentive point of view. I'm far more
>> >>> internally
>> >>> motivated, so external things like badges (or certificates etc) have
>> >>> no
>> >>> real
>> >>> meaning to me. In terms of theme reviews, I contribute because it
>> >>> allows
>> >>> me
>> >>> to give back to the community and to also learn from the experience -
>> >>> if
>> >>> I'm
>> >>> not able to do reviews, it's not because of lack of motivation, but
>> >>> simply a
>> >>> lack of time :(
>> >>>
>> >>> ______________________________
>> >>> Taryn Wallis
>> >>> Phenomenoodle
>> >>> WordPress design & development
>> >>> www.phenomenoodle.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Netzberufler
>> >>> <netzberufler at googlemail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I find Badges are a great idea. They should also be included into the
>> >>>> WordPress Profile Pages. http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/ or
>> >>>> http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/profile/ . BTW why are there
>> >>>> different
>> >>>> profile pages on wordpress.org?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I currently don't review themes cause of my exams but I will begin
>> >>>> reviewing again in 2 weeks ;)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2012/1/26 Rankin, Matthew W. (Student) <mrankin at my.ccsu.edu>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Not directly related to this email thread but seems like a good
>> >>>>> place
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> post it. I was thinking about why there aren't more volunteer
>> >>>>> reviewers
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> why many are slow to review themes. I think it may be because it
>> >>>>> lacks
>> >>>>> incentive. So, I had an idea which may attract more reviewers and
>> >>>>> increase
>> >>>>> productivity among current reviewers. My idea is to create a
>> >>>>> WordPress
>> >>>>> badge. Theme reviewers can post this badge on their own websites to
>> >>>>> say
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> they contribute to WordPress. You could even create different levels
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> badges so as you review more themes you get higher level badges.
>> >>>>> It's a
>> >>>>> simple idea which has proven effective on many websites around the
>> >>>>> web.
>> >>>>> What
>> >>>>> does everyone else think of this idea?
>> >>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Rankin,
>> >>>>> Matthew
>> >>>>> W. (Student) [mrankin at my.ccsu.edu]
>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:49 PM
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'll do my best to follow your lead Chip. I've just been so busy
>> >>>>> lately
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> haven't had time to do many reviews. But I should be able to fit in
>> >>>>> one
>> >>>>> theme a day.
>> >>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Chip
>> >>>>> Bennett
>> >>>>> [chip at chipbennett.net]
>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:31 PM
>> >>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't think a paradigm shift is necessary (or helpful) at this
>> >>>>> point.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The bottom line is: about 10 tickets per day are submitted. Thus, we
>> >>>>> need
>> >>>>> about 10 tickets per day reviewed and closed, in order to keep up
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> submission rate. We are approaching 100 people who have reviewed
>> >>>>> Themes. If
>> >>>>> every person with ticket privileges reviewed two tickets, we would
>> >>>>> exhaust
>> >>>>> the current queue entirely.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I've tried to push in the past to get reviewers to consider
>> >>>>> committing
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> a certain minimum level of participation, but as you've noted: it's
>> >>>>> not
>> >>>>> practical. We ARE all volunteers, and all have extremely busy
>> >>>>> schedules. (I
>> >>>>> last saw a "40-hour work week" sometime last summer.) Efforts to get
>> >>>>> such
>> >>>>> commitments inevitably have the opposite effect, as IMX they have
>> >>>>> only
>> >>>>> driven volunteers AWAY from contributing their time.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That said: I'll do my best to lead by example. I will commit to
>> >>>>> reviewing
>> >>>>> one Theme per day, every day.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Chip
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Edward Caissie
>> >>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Although it shouldn't need to be written, but once again it appears
>> >>>>>> a
>> >>>>>> reminder appears to be needed ...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> To the best of my knowledge, every member of the current Theme
>> >>>>>> Review
>> >>>>>> Team is a volunteer. Every member also has a "full work load" with
>> >>>>>> many
>> >>>>>> simply unable to devote any time to this volunteer activity during
>> >>>>>> that
>> >>>>>> scheduled time. Many of the volunteers have other additional
>> >>>>>> WordPress
>> >>>>>> related activities that add to their typical "40-hour week" work
>> >>>>>> load.
>> >>>>>> We
>> >>>>>> all have lives, too ... so, quite simply, we give what time we can
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> look
>> >>>>>> to the community to contribute some of their time. Wait times, as
>> >>>>>> noted many
>> >>>>>> times, are inversely proportional to the amount of volunteer
>> >>>>>> reviewers
>> >>>>>> available to do the work.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We can appreciate the wait time is long and frustrating. This is
>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> only time this topic has been discussed, these are not the only
>> >>>>>> ideas
>> >>>>>> that
>> >>>>>> have been considered. Unfortunately until their is perhaps a
>> >>>>>> paradigm
>> >>>>>> shift
>> >>>>>> in regards to the WPTRT we may simply be forced to continue to
>> >>>>>> endure
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> forge ahead under these conditions.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cais.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Wampler
>> >>>>>> <weavertheme at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I would like to add my perspective on the review process.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I have been submitting one theme - with revisions and slight name
>> >>>>>>> modifications - for almost two years now - starting with 2010
>> >>>>>>> Weaver,
>> >>>>>>> changed to simply Weaver, and now Weaver II.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Because Weaver II is a name change, and represents a total rewrite
>> >>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> Weaver, it has been in the Priority Queue for almost 3 months now.
>> >>>>>>> I've just
>> >>>>>>> been sitting here waiting my turn.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> But seriously - three months for new themes? The past week, the
>> >>>>>>> review
>> >>>>>>> rate has been only one new theme reviewed.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It is important to keep existing themes up to date - but to
>> >>>>>>> essentially
>> >>>>>>> have the new theme approval rate one a week will do nothing to
>> >>>>>>> encourage
>> >>>>>>> authors to submit new themes.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I had good reasons to change from Weaver to Weaver II, and perhaps
>> >>>>>>> should have requested it be treated as a revision of the existing
>> >>>>>>> approved
>> >>>>>>> theme. But I don know if I knew three months ago, that I likely
>> >>>>>>> would
>> >>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>> done things differently, including the possibility of simply
>> >>>>>>> abandoning the
>> >>>>>>> WP theme repository.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> But Weaver II represents a cutting edge theme/framework that has
>> >>>>>>> (or
>> >>>>>>> had three months ago) really new features, including what I think
>> >>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>> likely
>> >>>>>>> the best mobile support of any WP theme. It is really frustrating
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> see it
>> >>>>>>> languish in the queue.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I just think a almost three month wait is excessive, and will
>> >>>>>>> seriously
>> >>>>>>> discourage developers from developing and submitting new themes.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The discussion of new 3.4 features seems almost silly since if the
>> >>>>>>> new
>> >>>>>>> queue theme stays at several months, it is likely that there won't
>> >>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>> any
>> >>>>>>> new themes.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I believe is really important to keep fresh, new themes with
>> >>>>>>> cutting
>> >>>>>>> edge features coming in for the future health of WordPress.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Just some thoughts. I believe something needs to be done. I'd
>> >>>>>>> volunteer
>> >>>>>>> to review some themes, but I have serious ethical concerns about
>> >>>>>>> that, as
>> >>>>>>> well as a full work load supporting my theme which has become very
>> >>>>>>> popular
>> >>>>>>> on its own while waiting on the queue.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Bruce Wampler
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
>> >>>>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
>> >>>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> theme-reviewers mailing list
>> >>>>> theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>> http://lists.wordpress.org/mailman/listinfo/theme-reviewers
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:41:05 +0000
>> > From: "Rankin, Matthew W. (Student)" <mrankin at my.ccsu.edu>
>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
>> > To: "theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org"
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>> > There are many people ( myself included ) who review themes just for the
>> > satisfaction of helping out WordPress. However, there are many people
>> > out
>> > there who need a little more than that to review themes. Even just a
>> > thank
>> > you and a WordPress badge to post up on their site would go a long way
>> > in
>> > attracting more theme reviewers and getting more production out of less
>> > active reviewers. The idea is fairly straight forward and easy to
>> > implement,
>> > and has a proven record of success as you can see by looking at many
>> > other
>> > websites around the web who use similar ideas.
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>> > [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Simon Prosser
>> > [pross at pross.org.uk]
>> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:09 AM
>> > To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> > Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
>> >
>> > What incentives? wordpress.org is a free organization and the theme
>> > team volunteer the time to review themes in their spare time.
>> > They all have regular jobs and lives as well.
>> >
>> > On 27 January 2012 13:41, Chandra Maharzan <maharzan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I haven't reviewed any themes but I do think this volunteer thing
>> >> might need to go at some point. Have a dedicated team who reviews
>> >> themes and they get incentives on each theme or something. Otherwise
>> >> like a person said above, people are discouraged. I was when I
>> >> submitted a theme about a year ago and it was reviewed in a long time
>> >> and the same thing is happening now. And I have 2 themes in the repo,
>> >> pretty popular ones. I am sure many designers feel like me.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Phenomenoodle | Taryn Wallis
>> >> <taryn at phenomenoodle.com> wrote:
>> >>> Up until about 5 years ago (when I transitioned into web design
>> >>> full-time) I
>> >>> was an Organizational Psychologist - things like badges work well as a
>> >>> motivational tool for some types of people, and absolutely not for
>> >>> others.
>> >>> I'm one of the others :)
>> >>>
>> >>> If there was a badge, I might consider putting it on my site, but it
>> >>> would
>> >>> have zero impact from an incentive point of view. I'm far more
>> >>> internally
>> >>> motivated, so external things like badges (or certificates etc) have
>> >>> no
>> >>> real
>> >>> meaning to me. In terms of theme reviews, I contribute because it
>> >>> allows
>> >>> me
>> >>> to give back to the community and to also learn from the experience -
>> >>> if
>> >>> I'm
>> >>> not able to do reviews, it's not because of lack of motivation, but
>> >>> simply a
>> >>> lack of time :(
>> >>>
>> >>> ______________________________
>> >>> Taryn Wallis
>> >>> Phenomenoodle
>> >>> WordPress design & development
>> >>> www.phenomenoodle.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Netzberufler
>> >>> <netzberufler at googlemail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I find Badges are a great idea. They should also be included into the
>> >>>> WordPress Profile Pages. http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/ or
>> >>>> http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/profile/ . BTW why are there
>> >>>> different
>> >>>> profile pages on wordpress.org?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I currently don't review themes cause of my exams but I will begin
>> >>>> reviewing again in 2 weeks ;)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2012/1/26 Rankin, Matthew W. (Student) <mrankin at my.ccsu.edu>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Not directly related to this email thread but seems like a good
>> >>>>> place
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> post it. I was thinking about why there aren't more volunteer
>> >>>>> reviewers
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> why many are slow to review themes. I think it may be because it
>> >>>>> lacks
>> >>>>> incentive. So, I had an idea which may attract more reviewers and
>> >>>>> increase
>> >>>>> productivity among current reviewers. My idea is to create a
>> >>>>> WordPress
>> >>>>> badge. Theme reviewers can post this badge on their own websites to
>> >>>>> say
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> they contribute to WordPress. You could even create different levels
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> badges so as you review more themes you get higher level badges.
>> >>>>> It's a
>> >>>>> simple idea which has proven effective on many websites around the
>> >>>>> web.
>> >>>>> What
>> >>>>> does everyone else think of this idea?
>> >>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Rankin,
>> >>>>> Matthew
>> >>>>> W. (Student) [mrankin at my.ccsu.edu]
>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:49 PM
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'll do my best to follow your lead Chip. I've just been so busy
>> >>>>> lately
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> haven't had time to do many reviews. But I should be able to fit in
>> >>>>> one
>> >>>>> theme a day.
>> >>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>> From: theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>> [theme-reviewers-bounces at lists.wordpress.org] on behalf of Chip
>> >>>>> Bennett
>> >>>>> [chip at chipbennett.net]
>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:31 PM
>> >>>>> To: theme-reviewers at lists.wordpress.org
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [theme-reviewers] splitting reviewers between queues
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't think a paradigm shift is necessary (or helpful) at this
>> >>>>> point.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The bottom line is: about 10 tickets per day are submitted. Thus, we
>> >>>>> need
>> >>>>> about 10 tickets per day reviewed and closed, in order to keep up
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> submission rate. We are approaching 100 people who have reviewed
>> >>>>> Themes. If
>> >>>>> every person with ticket privileges reviewed two tickets, we would
>> >>>>> exhaust
>> >>>>> the current queue entirely.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I've tried to push in the past to get reviewers to consider
>> >>>>> committing
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> a certain minimum level of participation, but as you've noted: it's
>> >>>>> not
>> >>>>> practical. We ARE all volunteers, and all have extremely busy
>> >>>>> schedules. (I
>> >>>>> last saw a "40-hour work week" sometime last summer.) Efforts to get
>> >>>>> such
>> >>>>> commitments inevitably have the opposite effect, as IMX they have
>> >>>>> only
>> >>>>> driven volunteers AWAY from contributing their time.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That said: I'll do my best to lead by example. I will commit to
>> >>>>> reviewing
>> >>>>> one Theme per day, every day.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Chip
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Edward Caissie
>> >>>>> <edward.caissie at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Although it shouldn't need to be written, but once again it appears
>> >>>>>> a
>> >>>>>> reminder appears to be needed ...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> To the best of my knowledge, every member of the current Theme
>> >>>>>> Review
>> >>>>>> Team is a volunteer. Every member also has a "full work load" with
>> >>>>>> many
>> >>>>>> simply unable to devote any time to this volunteer activity during
>> >>>>>> that
>> >>>>>> scheduled time. Many of the volunteers have other additional
>> >>>>>> WordPress
>> >>>>>> related activities that add to their typical "40-hour week" work
>> >>>>>> load.
>> >>>>>> We
>> >>>>>> all have lives, too ... so, quite simply, we give what time we can
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> look
>> >>>>>> to the community to contribute some of their time. Wait times, as
>> >>>>>> noted many
>> >>>>>> times, are inversely proportional to the amount of volunteer
>> >>>>>> reviewers
>> >>>>>> available to do the work.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We can appreciate the wait time is long and frustrating. This is
>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> only time this topic has been discussed, these are not the only
>> >>>>>> ideas
>> >>>>>> that
>> >>>>>> have been considered. Unfortunately until their is perhaps a
>> >>>>>> paradigm
>> >>>>>> shift
>> >>>>>> in regards to the WPTRT we may simply be forced to continue to
>> >>>>>> endure
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> forge ahead under these conditions.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cais.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Wampler
>> >>>>>> <weavertheme at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I would like to add my perspective on the review process.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I have been submitting one theme - with revisions and slight name
>> >>>>>>> modifications - for almost two years now - starting with 2010
>> >>>>>>> Weaver,
>> >>>>>>> changed to simply Weaver, and now Weaver II.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Because Weaver II is a name change, and represents a total rewrite
>> >>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> Weaver, it has been in the Priority Queue for almost 3 months now.
>> >>>>>>> I've just
>> >>>>>>> been sitting here waiting my turn.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> But seriously - three months for new themes? The past week, the
>> >>>>>>> review
>> >>>>>>> rate has been only one new theme reviewed.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It is important to keep existing themes up to date - but to
>> >>>>>>> essentially
>> >>>>>>> have the new theme approval rate one a week will do nothing to
>> >>>>>>> encourage
>> >>>>>>> authors to submit new themes.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I had good reasons to change from Weaver to Weaver II, and perhaps
>> >>>>>>> should have requested it be treated as a revision of the existing
>> >>>>>>> approved
>> >>>>>>> theme. But I don know if I knew three months ago, that I likely
>> >>>>>>> would
>> >>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>> done things differently, including the possibility of simply
>> >>>>>>> abandoning the
>> >>>>>>> WP theme repository.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> But Weaver II represents a cutting edge theme/framework that has
>> >>>>>>> (or
>> >>>>>>> had three months ago) really new features, including what I think
>> >>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>> likely
>> >>>>>>> the best mobile support of any WP theme. It is really frustrating
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> see it
>> >>>>>>> languish in the queue.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I just think a almost three month wait is excessive, and will
>> >>>>>>> seriously
>> >>>>>>> discourage developers from developing and submitting new themes.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The discussion of new 3.4 features seems almost silly since if the
>> >>>>>>> new
>> >>>>>>> queue theme stays at several months, it is likely that there won't
>> >>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>> any
>> >>>>>>> new themes.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I believe is really important to keep fresh, new themes with
>> >>>>>>> cutting
>> >>>>>>> edge features coming in for the future health of WordPress.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Just some thoughts. I believe something needs to be done. I'd
>> >>>>>>> volunteer
>> >>>>>>> to review some themes, but I have serious ethical concerns about
>> >>>>>>> that, as
>> >>>>>>> well as a full work load supporting my theme which has become very
>> >>>>>>> popular
>> >>>>>>> on its own while waiting on the queue.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Bruce Wampler
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
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