[bbDev] Looking for honest, dream-dashing opinions

[Thomas Leavitt]

I'd say, create an install script. It will get "debugged" that much
faster, and it will be pretty clear when you have an installable build,
and when you don't (like now, apparently)... and might result in less
instances of the latter. It is good hygiene... WordPress kicks ass for
me, even as a senior level sysadmin, because I can make it work like a
snap. Hopefully, bbPress will produce that same astonished reaction,
"damn, that was the single easiest installation I've ever done... I wish
all server side software was that easy to install."

Regards,
Thomas Leavitt

Michael D Adams mikea at turbonet.com 
Fri Aug 19 04:09:39 GMT 2005 

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Any updates would have to be performed in the same way regardless of  
whether or not your particular bbPress instance came from an install  
script or not.  (And there definitely will be changes: features, some  
DB tweaks, bugs, etc.)

Actually, we currently do "automatic" updates in the sense that for  
any structural or formatting change to the database that occurs, an  
update script is provided.  An install script would be very much in  
the same vein: set up the DB structure and populate a few things  
(like an admin account and an initial forum).  Though what I  
specifically have in mind is a bit more friendly than the current  
upgrade procedure.

The impetus for this question is that it has become increasingly  
difficult to install bbPress.  First we moved user_type into usermeta  
and now we've gotten rid of user_type altogether and replaced it with  
a more-complicated-to-initialize capabilities system.

Justin Moore's "there'll be more users point" is apt.  I'll just add  
that no one using bbPress right now or in the near future should  
expect a final product.  Personally, I consider anyone with an  
installation a "tester" not a "user" :)

Thoughts?
Michael

On Aug 18, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Shahyar G wrote:
> It's of no use. It's still got many bugs to iron out, so even if  
> you do use it on a live site, you'll have many holes that would  
> have to be patched up manually later. Once they've got a version  
> ready for live testing, it'll get an installer. I just don't see  
> the point of having one at this point in development. Just my two  
> cents.
>
> On 8/18/05, Michael D Adams <mikea at turbonet.com> wrote:
>> I think the DB structure is pretty well locked down now.  I've been
>> tossing around the idea of forummeta[1], but I'm not sure how useful
>> it would be.  Regardless, adding a new table is an easy upgrade.
>>
>> So I'm wondering if people think bbPress is ready to see an install
>> script.
>>
>> A couple things:  "Yes, it would make my installation so much easier,
>> I've been having problems getting it set up" is not super
>> informative; *everyone* wants their own site to work :)  Also, the
>> inclusion of an install script is in *no way* a sign that bbPress is
>> ready to be deployed live anywhere.  Alpha blah blah own risk etc.
>> will still apply.  Anyone thinking otherwise will probably see their
>> site crumble a time or two.  I certainly have.
>>
>> So, with the ever present "This will delete all your data, break your
>> mind and suck out your soul" warning, is there any disadvantage to
>> including an install script at this stage of the game?
>>
>> Michael
>> --mdawaffe
>>
>> [1] http://mdawaffe.wordpress.com/2005/08/18/you-can-count-on- 
>> bbpress/